Ronchi Bandwagoners

[Mad Snake]

It seems after one Hitting session from Ronchi everyone (or a lot of uninformed people) are saying that Ronchi should keep the ODI spot and get the test gig above Brad Haddin I am here to show you how wrong you all are, Firstly here are the stats that prove everything

Haddin

Ronchi

Firstly looking at "List A" or Domestic One Dayers, Ronchi is averaging 27 7 less than Haddin with 34 but Haddin has played more than double plus 20 games! you cant really compare the 100's and 50's because of the games difference but i have worked out the averages.

• Brad Haddin averages a 50 every 6.04 games
• Luke Ronchi averages a 50 every 5.11 games
• Brad Haddin averages a 100 every 21.16 games
• Luke Ronchi averages a 100 every 23 games

as you can see there Brad Haddin has performed better in Domestic OD competitions

Now Onto First Class

Haddin averages 41 which is 3 better than Ronchi's 38 but Haddin has sustained this over a long period of time, Haddin has played over 3 times the games Ronchi has played

• Brad Haddin averages a 50 every 2.9 games
• Luke Ronchi averages a 50 every 3.11 games
• Brad Haddin averages a 100 every 9.3 games
• Luke Ronchi averages a 100 every 9.3 games

As you can see the their First Class batting stats are quite similar but remember Haddin has sustained this over a MUCH MUCH longer period and i doubt that Ronchi can keep up this over the period of time Haddin has.

It is far too early to be comparing the ODI records as Ronchi has only played the 4 recent ones but if you do insist on it Haddin's average is still better.

The other fact is that Haddin can actually play a proper Innings, yes he can still slog it but knows when not to and when to build an Innings which is what is required in Test Cricket, i am yet to see Ronchi do this. (I am just going on what i have seen and heard here)

About the actual keeping side of things Haddin is a far better keeper than Ronchi ( in my view anyway) but if you want to look at the stats

• Brad Haddin averages 1.3 catches every One Dayer
• Luke Ronchi averages 1.26 catches every One Dayer
• Brad Haddin averages 3 catches every First Class game
• Luke Ronchi averages 3.57 catches every First Class game
• Brad Haddin averages a stumping every 3.07 One Day games and 3.72 First Class games
• Luke Ronchi averages a stumping every 5.75 One Day games and 4.6 First Class games

I dont think this is a very acurate way of looking at it because of the variables of every match also the quality of bowling they are keeping to and others. But Haddin does reign supreme on most of those stats.


Haddin Deserves to be in the Australian team in both OD and Test over Ronchi

Hopefully this rant has informed those uninformed people

 

[formula1man]

it has actually proved my point, the differences arent that big, Ronchi isnt ready for Tests but ODI why not.
Ronchi is three years younger meaning why stick with Haddin for 4 years than be stuck in a keeper limbo, stick with the younger 1 and u get more out of him.

BTW i was waiting for Ronchi to take up a spot long before the West Indies tour began. Even look at my story Ronchi features in that a good month b4 his international debut so, ive had faith for a while.

 

[Mad Snake]

why would you not play the best keeper in the country

 

[Cricketman]

If India played the best keeper in the country, Dinesh Karthik would be donning the gloves.

I say Ronchi in for ODI's. Youth prevails, and plus he'll be more ready when it's Haddin's time to go in about three years time.

 

[angryangy]

Haddin probably isn't the absolute best behind the stumps, but don't go down that route, it's too subjective; suffice to say that Ronchi is far too good for anyone to waste time criticising as a pure keeper. I think it's best to just decide if they are good enough or not, rather than split hairs over how good.

The wicketkeeper-batsman's predicament is a double-edged sword. His batting can make him more essential than if he were a pure keeper, but at the same time, that batting is on show for better or for worse, while if he were a specialist batsman, higher standards would apply.

For Brad Haddin, his breakthrough season was 2004-05. At the time he was already a seasoned player and already earmarked by the national selectors, but now it marks only the midpoint of his career.

From the beginning of his career until 2004-05, Haddin had played 63 one day games, scoring 1539 at an average of 26.53 (strikingly similar to Ronchi). He had also played 48 First Class matches, scoring 2435 runs and averaging 32.46.

Since that season Haddin has played 61 more one day games, scoring 2153 runs at a powerful average of 43.06. Including the recent Test series, his first class record has netted another 45 matches, with 3202 runs coming at an average of 51.64.

Now in a direct heat with Ronchi, you can gather a few facts. Most obviously, Haddin's form has been far better in the past 4 years and arguably deserves to be an international player on that alone; he has of course already played several ODIs as a batsman. While Haddin has had only minor competition for a game, first as a 20 year old keeper for the defunct ACT, then moving to NSW to succeed Phil Emery, Ronchi found himself behind both Adam Gilchrist and Ryan Campbell. Ronchi has however, edged Haddin in terms of that formative part of his career. He plays a much riskier batting game and does so with slightly better aplomb than the admittedly aggressive Haddin did early on.

So the gifted Ronchi is well behind the leader, but keeping the pace; if you were to expect marked improvement in consistency from Ronchi, now would be the time to watch him.

Ok, so he isn't actually playing right now, but in a few months, have a look.

 

[m_vaughan]

If India played the best keeper in the country, Dinesh Karthik would be donning the gloves.

I say Ronchi in for ODI's. Youth prevails, and plus he'll be more ready when it's Haddin's time to go in about three years time.

I think thats a fair comment. Stick with Ronchi for the time-being.

 

[aussie1st]

It's the same old story for Ronchi. He needs to get more consistency to his game before he can be considered as Aussie keeper. ODI I wouldn't mind him but Haddin deserves his spot and with our team lineup atm the keeper is going in the lower order spot which is where you want a consistent guy to get you out of trouble when needed. Ronchi will have to bibe his time in domestic cricket, if he wants to put pressure on the selectors he needs a real good season.

 

[Mad Snake]

Haddin is the far better glove man and batsman at the moment a deserves the ODI spot far more than Ronchi and theres hardly anything between the age Haddin's only 30 and Ronchi is 27 why waste away Haddin ODI career for someone worse than him, Ronchi still has a lot to prove at domestic level before he plays for Australia when Haddin is fit

 

[mattfb]

If India played the best keeper in the country, Dinesh Karthik would be donning the gloves.

I say Ronchi in for ODI's. Youth prevails, and plus he'll be more ready when it's Haddin's time to go in about three years time.

Haddins going to be playing for about the next 7 or so years. He is only 30, and Ronchi is 27.

From the beginning of his career until 2004-05, Haddin had played 63 one day games, scoring 1539 at an average of 26.53 (strikingly similar to Ronchi). He had also played 48 First Class matches, scoring 2435 runs and averaging 32.46.

Since that season Haddin has played 61 more one day games, scoring 2153 runs at a powerful average of 43.06. Including the recent Test series, his first class record has netted another 45 matches, with 3202 runs coming at an average of 51.64.

Are you trying to say Ronchi should be playing? Because if you are you've contradicted yourself. As you can see in the first paragraph (His averages similar to Ronchis current) Haddin was not ready to play before then. In the last few years he has been in the top 15 batters in domestic cricket, so to snub him for a player who is hardly ready, just because he can hit bigger and score faster.

Which brings me to point B. Notice the strike rates in List A?

Haddin- 91
Ronchi- 108.

It is hardly a difference, which proves my point I have been argueing for a long time. Haddin is a big hitter and he can also score runs like a batsmen. So to argue Ronchi is a better batsmen is a joke. Both can hit fast, but only one can actually bat.

Haddin probably isn't the absolute best behind the stumps, but don't go down that route, it's too subjective; suffice to say that Ronchi is far too good for anyone to waste time criticising as a pure keeper. I think it's best to just decide if they are good enough or not, rather than split hairs over how good.

The wicketkeeper-batsman's predicament is a double-edged sword. His batting can make him more essential than if he were a pure keeper, but at the same time, that batting is on show for better or for worse, while if he were a specialist batsman, higher standards would apply.

Once again, Ronchi is not a better keeper or a better batter. Haddin has him covered in both areas of the game. Haddin has proved over the past few years how good of an allrounder he has been, consistently scoring runs and being realiable at the stumps.

I will rant more later, I gotta go now.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Ronchi would probably be a better lower order slogger though.

But Haddin's never done anything wrong so far, so can't drop him.

 

[stereotype]

Brad Haddin is a great keeper batsman, he at times is very similar to Gilly, perhaps a slightly more measured batsman than Gilly but Ronchi would make a lot of International line ups as well, just to think Haddin has a back up as good as Ronchi, at least our 7 batsman wont decline too much over the next decade or so

 

[mattfb]

Ronchi would probably be a better lower order slogger though.

But Haddin's never done anything wrong so far, so can't drop him.

Haddin can lower order slog, just not at a strike rate of over 200 although hes a more realiable lower order hitter imo.

 

[karnog]

As an opposition i'd rather play against Ronchi considering the consistency he plays at (i.e fickle). But i hate to say but it looks like Ronchi might get the nod. The more flamboyant a player is the more likely their picked.

SA did the right thing by picking Boucher. Pothas was a far better batsman than Boucher but Boucher was a better, safer keeper (and Pothas ain't no mug). Other nations need to learn that batting isn't the number one prioty when it comes to keepers.

 

[Mad Snake]

SA did the right thing by picking Boucher. Pothas was a far better batsman than Boucher but Boucher was a better, safer keeper (and Pothas ain't no mug). Other nations need to learn that batting isn't the number one prioty when it comes to keepers.

are you trying to say that Ronchi is a better keeper?

 

[Gilly Fan]

why would you not play the best keeper in the country

Because he's Western Australian and he wants 11 WA players to be playing for Australia, a bit like Matt who wants 11 NSW players. He said in another thread that he wants to drop Ponting.