Ronchi Bandwagoners

Looking at Ronchi's stats just confirms what people who actually follow Australian cricket already knew about him - he's done nothing to knock the door down yet. All he's shown is a lot of potential, but he hasn't shown anything else to suggest he's better than Haddin. Haddin was knocking the door down in Gilly's later years, which is why he retired. Now people want to look at youth already, when last time Haddin was the youth in question.
 
As an opposition i'd rather play against Ronchi considering the consistency he plays at (i.e fickle). But i hate to say but it looks like Ronchi might get the nod. The more flamboyant a player is the more likely their picked.

SA did the right thing by picking Boucher. Pothas was a far better batsman than Boucher but Boucher was a better, safer keeper (and Pothas ain't no mug). Other nations need to learn that batting isn't the number one prioty when it comes to keepers.

But thats the thing, Ronchi isn't even a better batter than haddin.
 
Are you trying to say Ronchi should be playing? Because if you are you've contradicted yourself. As you can see in the first paragraph (His averages similar to Ronchis current) Haddin was not ready to play before then. In the last few years he has been in the top 15 batters in domestic cricket, so to snub him for a player who is hardly ready, just because he can hit bigger and score faster.

Which brings me to point B. Notice the strike rates in List A?

Haddin- 91
Ronchi- 108.

It is hardly a difference, which proves my point I have been argueing for a long time. Haddin is a big hitter and he can also score runs like a batsmen. So to argue Ronchi is a better batsmen is a joke. Both can hit fast, but only one can actually bat.

Once again, Ronchi is not a better keeper or a better batter. Haddin has him covered in both areas of the game. Haddin has proved over the past few years how good of an allrounder he has been, consistently scoring runs and being realiable at the stumps.

I will rant more later, I gotta go now.
You're yelling at a brick wall. I wasn't arguing, nowhere did I say "this player should be in the team or some rhetoric like that. I don't really feel like paying out on cricketers who I enjoy watching and really, being spoilt for choice is all that is on trial here, both within domestic sides and internationally. I was just posting facts. People should understand that Brad Haddin is a lot better than his career figures, because that flaw in the initial argument stopped this from being a thread of only about 2 or 3 posts. However, to use the same methodology, you have to account for the scope of development that is available to Ronchi, even at 27, as Haddin has had to wait an awful long time just the same.

Furthermore, a difference in strike rate of 17 is actually quite relevant. If almost all of the batsmen have a strike rate between 70 and 90, then anything over 100 is an extreme outlyer.

If Simon Katich had a strike rate of 85, he probably wouldn't have been dropped from the ODI side (and subsequently, time would be destroyed). You can't look at it as only about 20% better (although again, smaller differences seperate the good from the great), because any strikerate below 60 is well outside the sample. 17 runs per hundred balls extra can describes a completely different sort of player; the difference between Michael Clarke and Adam Gilchrist, for example, or Chanderpaul and Pietersen.

Of course, consistency in actually scoring runs is more important than a consistent scoring rate, but I think if we are to look differently at a player who averages only 5 or 10 runs more/less, then we should maintain this perspective, especially as strike rate continues to be an increasingly important facet of batting.
 
i just dont like Haddin. Ronchi is cooler.
I mean We could win against most teams with an Australia A team and i would prefer to watch Ronchi play than Haddin. I mean Ronchi is all we need against Windies, Sri Lanka, Bangaldesh, New Zealand. So why not play him against the weaker sides to preper him for the future. I believe for the Champions Trophy we would need Haddin but for our ODIs against Bangladesh later on and the Chapprl Hadlee series why not use Ronchi?
are you trying to say New Zealand are a weak One Day Cricket Team:eek:??
New Zealand are the 3rd best One Day Side only behind Australia and South Africa to say they are a weak one day side it is complete rubbish
 
Angryangy the stirke rates are both good. Haddin averages 91 runs off 100 balls and Ronchi 108. Its only 17.

BTW, I wasn't referring to your post by saying "argueing" most of the time. I was saying it to other people as well.
 
are you trying to say New Zealand are a weak One Day Cricket Team:eek:??
New Zealand are the 3rd best One Day Side only behind Australia and South Africa to say they are a weak one day side it is complete rubbish

well considering we've ripped them apart again and again says they are. They only just scraped past England.
 
even though i like Ronchi use Haddin for tests and ODI's in pakistan.Will ronchi big hitting work doubt it. Use haddin but ronchi should still go to pakistan as 2nd keeper/pinch hitter
 
well considering we've ripped them apart again and again says they are. They only just scraped past England.

:eek: it was only last year we were rippin em apart. The last couple of years before that its been tightly contested series with NZ chasing down 300+ against us many a time. They have won some a few series against us recently too.
 
:eek: it was only last year we were rippin em apart. The last couple of years before that its been tightly contested series with NZ chasing down 300+ against us many a time. They have won some a few series against us recently too.

And it was only last year that they were ripping US apart.
 
NZ will always lift against us so you can never underestimate them especially with probably the best wicket keeper batter atm in McCullum.

Ronchi best spot is opener/3 and we clearly aren't going to experiment there, whoever our new pair is they will be given time to gel.
 
the stirke rates are both good. Haddin averages 91 runs off 100 balls and Ronchi 108. Its only 17.

What are you talkiing about, that is a massive difference. If a side scored at a strike rate of 91 in a ODI they would end up with 273 runs, where as a side scoring at a 108sr would end up on 324. That's quite a sizeable gap, 51 over a teams innings infact. I'm not really for or against either keeper starting over the other, but saying strike rates 17 runs apart are similar/close/not to much of a difference is just plain silly in this instance where both players are capable of scoring runs.
 
2007 Chappell Hadlee series mate 3-0 New Zealand, remember that?

ok i take it back than im sorry. New Zealand are a good side.
I suppose their just going threw the same bad patch us Australians were going through in the CB series.
and they were World Cup Semi Finalists i think.
beating England in England is pretty hard to do too.
i take it back New Zealand are good, sorry if i offended any1, i didnt meen to
 

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