IPL What do you think now? PCB to lodge complaint with ICC?

[Dare]

you cant compare gul and bond.bond is the top kiwi pacer,gul is unpredictable.
if you had money you will always go for the best.

:doh

Yea and Gul is the best ODI pace bowler out there, check the stats, check the records.
Like you say if I had the money and owned the team I would go for the best, and the best is Umar Gul.

 

[sohum]

When countries and the people residing in those countries become more responsible for their actions instead of blaming other people.

You're alluding to a state of affairs that is not attainable in any country in the world. Take a look at the U.S., for example. If you are a middle-eastern resident, your likelihood to get a U.S. visa is a lot less. I'm sure the situation is similar for the U.K., as well. Are these countries at fault for employing stringent immigration laws?

It is very logical to me. If Indian intelligence finds that terrorist attacks in India originate in Pakistan, it makes sense to control immigration between the two countries while the politicians hash things out. You have to stop the water supply to fix a broken pipe.

 

[tech.007]

:doh

Yea and Gul is the best ODI pace bowler out there, check the stats, check the records.
Like you say if I had the money and owned the team I would go for the best, and the best is Umar Gul.

ok make sure you buy gul when you run a franchise,and scratch your head when he does not performs.

 

[sohum]

Speaking of risks, its a bigger risk for KKR to sign Bond who is injured at the moment and can get injured at any time then signing Gul for way less money.

That is a judgment call. Injuries are unpredictable whereas visas being denied due to the political situation is a much more predictable event. I don't think we'll just wake up one day and find that the two countries are on the best of terms, whereas Bond could have a career-ending injury any day... but that's not really in our hands.

 

[Dare]

ok make sure you buy gul when you run a franchise,and scratch your head when he does not performs.

Rather have him in the team and not performing then spend money on a injured player

That is a judgment call. Injuries are unpredictable whereas visas being denied due to the political situation is a much more predictable event. I don't think we'll just wake up one day and find that the two countries are on the best of terms, whereas Bond could have a career-ending injury any day... but that's not really in our hands.

Didnt the Indian government distance it self from the IPL on this entire disaster, and wasn't the deadline extended so that the Pakistani players can get their visas in time.

 

[sohum]

Didnt the Indian government distance it self from the IPL on this entire disaster, and wasn't the deadline extended so that the Pakistani players can get their visas in time.

The government has nothing to do with the IPL. The government shouldn't give visas based on whether applicants are IPL players or not. I think the current policy pretty much prevents most Pakistani residents from getting visas unless they are diplomats or the like. Perhaps a few entertainers.

Secondly, I don't think time is the factor in getting a visa, but actually the application being accepted.

 

[Dare]

The government has nothing to do with the IPL. The government shouldn't give visas based on whether applicants are IPL players or not. I think the current policy pretty much prevents most Pakistani residents from getting visas unless they are diplomats or the like. Perhaps a few entertainers.

Whats the danger with giving visas to 11 cricket players? Bombs in bats? Seriously...

Secondly, I don't think time is the factor in getting a visa, but actually the application being accepted.

Well there was extra time given to the players to get their visas. One deadline was set and when the players couldn't get the visas another deadline was set. Whats the point of making these players go through all that trouble to get the visas and in the end not even selecting the guys.

If they didn't have visas why even put them on the list.

 

[sohum]

Whats the danger with giving visas to 11 cricket players? Bombs in bats? Seriously...

You're ignoring the fact that Pakistani players may not necessarily be as safe in India.

Whats the point of making these players go through all that trouble to get the visas and in the end not even selecting the guys.

You're confusing the entities here. The franchises did not pick the players. The government didn't give them visas. The franchises aren't responsible for visas. The government isn't responsible for picking players to teams.

If they didn't have visas why even put them on the list.

Your guess is as good as mine. Probably because the PCB would complain if they hadn't been put on the list, as would all the people who have been complaining on this thread.

Everyone has to understand that there are several parties at play, here. I'll explain it one last time:

1. Franchises - pick players that they think will have the highest RoI both in terms of match performance as well as endorsements.
2. Government of Pakistan - allows Pakistan players to travel to India by giving them NOC's.
3. Government of India - does not want to allow Pakistan players to travel to India, thus denying them visas.
4. Pakistan players - want to play in the IPL and have gotten clearance from Pakistan government, but not from the Indian government.

2 and 4 above don't have any problems with playing in the IPL/traveling to India. 3 has issues with 4 traveling to India. 1 did not pick 4 because they didn't think 3 would resolve the issues by the time the IPL rolled along.

There's also an ignorance of the fact that this may not just be a political/financial issue. It may also be a civil issue. Even if both governments end up agreeing, there will be an extra burden of security because there are definitely anti-Pakistan elements in the Indian population (the Shiv Sena, for example). So the GoI may not just be denying visas because they don't trust the Pakistani players, but also because they don't want the headache of paying extra for their security.

 

[Dare]

You're ignoring the fact that Pakistani players may not necessarily be as safe in India.

Their call on their own safety, if they don't feel safe going to India then they shouldn't go. If they figure "hey money is worth the risk", then its the players fault really.

You're confusing the entities here. The franchises did not pick the players. The government didn't give them visas. The franchises aren't responsible for visas. The government isn't responsible for picking players to teams.

I aint confusing any of that. I got issue with the IPL here, if the visas arent given why even put the players on the list and cause all this hoopla. Isn't it easier to say the government didn't give the visas we cant put the players on the list.

Your guess is as good as mine. Probably because the PCB would complain if they hadn't been put on the list, as would all the people who have been complaining on this thread.

So they end up putting them on the list and the entire thing ends up even worse, yea a much better call on that one.

 

[ballers101]

One six should win the match. I still dont see how it is a political decision. If the Govt is going to bar a franchisee from bidding for a player,then its sheer bullcrap.
Talk about popularity, each franchisee is entitled to play only 4 foreign players in their XI. I am not sure whether the popularity of an out of form Tendulkar would fall caase of Afridi's induction into his side.
Agreed,if this was a Champions League tournament to be held in Pakistan, then yes. But, in India, no ways. Even Herschelle Gibbs who smashed 6 sixes of van Bunge was not perceived int that way by our crowds.

Okay the IPL doesn't just make money because of the people in the stands, I will agree the stands will be packed however, think about the TV ratings. The IPL is telecaste all around the world including Pakistan so if players on the Pakistani team were on the IPL teams no doubt will people in Pakistan watch the IPL. That will bring a lot of money into the IPL via sponserships and TV ratings and what not. You say that it is not a Politcal decision when even Sohum agreed with me and Dare saying that Politics has a major affect on cricket in India. The reason being that the government have bad relations with Pakistan so obviously they wouldn't want Pakistan players playing in India. Why do you think that Pakistan and India haven't played a series in a while because of the Mumbai Attacks. It's all politics, if the government doesn't want Pakistan players to be playing, then Pakistan players won't be playing end of story.

 

[sohum]

Their call on their own safety, if they don't feel safe going to India then they shouldn't go. If they figure "hey money is worth the risk", then its the players fault really.

Umm... thankfully our government takes the concerns of the players into the equation. The security is going to come from our police force, and Pakistani players will require extra security, so it's certainly a government call on the visa end.

I aint confusing any of that. I got issue with the IPL here, if the visas arent given why even put the players on the list and cause all this hoopla. Isn't it easier to say the government didn't give the visas we cant put the players on the list.

So they end up putting them on the list and the entire thing ends up even worse, yea a much better call on that one.

You don't know that it ends up worse. If the IPL didn't put the Pakistan players in from the beginning, they would be accused of being responsible for the players not being selected. By putting the players on the list, they've successfully offloaded the responsibility to the franchises/government.

 

[drainpipe32]

Close this thread much?

 

[shravi]

Close this thread much?

Might as well. Sohum has repeated himself about 10 times and still nobody reads what he wrote.

 

[drainpipe32]

It's turned into another Dare v Sohum stalemate.

 

[Dare]

Umm... thankfully our government takes the concerns of the players into the equation. The security is going to come from our police force, and Pakistani players will require extra security, so it's certainly a government call on the visa end.

Pakistani players will require as much security as any other cricket coming into India. If a Pakistani player is a part of a IPL team and going around with them then there is really no need for extra security for that one player because there is already a ton of security around the Aussies, Safers, West Indians and players from other countries.
There is a argument to put more security around the Aussies because of the events over the past 2 months or so.

You don't know that it ends up worse. If the IPL didn't put the Pakistan players in from the beginning, they would be accused of being responsible for the players not being selected. By putting the players on the list, they've successfully offloaded the responsibility to the franchises/government.

And now they are being accused of the players not being selected at all. The IPL and the franchises are all the same bundle. They are both responsible for this fiasco, I am sure that the people running the IPL had something to do with the Pakistani players not being selected by the franchises.