IPL What do you think now? PCB to lodge complaint with ICC?

[sohum]

Pakistani players will require as much security as any other cricket coming into India. If a Pakistani player is a part of a IPL team and going around with them then there is really no need for extra security for that one player because there is already a ton of security around the Aussies, Safers, West Indians and players from other countries.
There is a argument to put more security around the Aussies because of the events over the past 2 months or so.

Nope. Surely you understand India-Pakistan issues. If you don't, then you have no business making claims of who requires more security. The Aussie team may require more security, but that issue is not so much political as continued civil unrest. India-Pakistan is an issue deeply seated in religious, political and geographical issues. Right now, the state of the relations is as bad as it has been in the last decade. So, no, Pakistani players will not require as much security as any other cricket. There are portions of the population who are anti-Pakistani and I can absolutely guarantee (having lived in India and, you know, knowing about the subcontinent tendencies) that there are more anti-Pakistan people in India than anti-Aussie or anti-some other cricket-playing nation.

And now they are being accused of the players not being selected at all. The IPL and the franchises are all the same bundle. They are both responsible for this fiasco, I am sure that the people running the IPL had something to do with the Pakistani players not being selected by the franchises.

The point remains that you don't know that the controversy would have been less if the Pakistani players had been ignored. The IPL and franchises are not in the very same bundle. While the IPL may have stiff-armed the franchises from selecting Pakistani players behind-the-scenes, to the public they have shown no such thing--by including the 11 players in the list of 66. So anything apart from that is purely hypothetical.

From the facts that have been presented to the public, the IPL allowed Pakistani players. The franchises did not select them, although they wanted to, because they were not sure what the state of the friendship of the government would be in 2 months (that's what was said in the article you posted about Shah Rukh Khan, in fewer words). Anything past that is a deduction and I will go ahead and claim that those deductions are not made by logic as much as they are made for a general disdain of the BCCI, IPL and Lalit Modi.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Nope. Surely you understand India-Pakistan issues. If you don't, then you have no business making claims of who requires more security. The Aussie team may require more security, but that issue is not so much political as continued civil unrest. India-Pakistan is an issue deeply seated in religious, political and geographical issues. Right now, the state of the relations is as bad as it has been in the last decade. So, no, Pakistani players will not require as much security as any other cricket. There are portions of the population who are anti-Pakistani and I can absolutely guarantee (having lived in India and, you know, knowing about the subcontinent tendencies) that there are more anti-Pakistan people in India than anti-Aussie or anti-some other cricket-playing nation.


The point remains that you don't know that the controversy would have been less if the Pakistani players had been ignored. The IPL and franchises are not in the very same bundle. While the IPL may have stiff-armed the franchises from selecting Pakistani players behind-the-scenes, to the public they have shown no such thing--by including the 11 players in the list of 66. So anything apart from that is purely hypothetical.

From the facts that have been presented to the public, the IPL allowed Pakistani players. The franchises did not select them, although they wanted to, because they were not sure what the state of the friendship of the government would be in 2 months (that's what was said in the article you posted about Shah Rukh Khan, in fewer words). Anything past that is a deduction and I will go ahead and claim that those deductions are not made by logic as much as they are made for a general disdain of the BCCI, IPL and Lalit Modi.

Yes you are right... Pakistan need more security.. As Aussie's need seciruty in Maharashtra State.. But Pakistan.. As A Whole Country.

Australian's must avoid matches against Mumbai Indians Home Match...Good no aussie player's present in Mumbai Indians..Thornely Contract has also added

 

[Aoun13]

Well one thing I want to add on ongoing topic, if India was so much concern of Pakistani players security and they are then why are they trying to held 2010 Hockey World Cup even in that there is Pakistan team.Why aren't they said that we will not have Common wealth games (which too is in 2010, in Delhi) because Pakistani player will play in it?

 

[SciD]

Okay the IPL doesn't just make money because of the people in the stands, I will agree the stands will be packed however, think about the TV ratings. The IPL is telecaste all around the world including Pakistan so if players on the Pakistani team were on the IPL teams no doubt will people in Pakistan watch the IPL. That will bring a lot of money into the IPL via sponserships and TV ratings and what not. You say that it is not a Politcal decision when even Sohum agreed with me and Dare saying that Politics has a major affect on cricket in India. The reason being that the government have bad relations with Pakistan so obviously they wouldn't want Pakistan players playing in India. Why do you think that Pakistan and India haven't played a series in a while because of the Mumbai Attacks. It's all politics, if the government doesn't want Pakistan players to be playing, then Pakistan players won't be playing end of story.

Indian TV rights are enough for IPL to survive.
People in Pakistan might not watch IPL but IPL has no sponsorship deal from Pakistan. Moreover people outside India never were interested in this Bollywood meets Cricket carnival.
I think all the sponsors of world cup are from India as well.

Like it or not, India pumps in money to International cricket and that is why BCCI acts the way it does.

 

[rahuldravidfan]

Well one thing I want to add on ongoing topic, if India was so much concern of Pakistani players security and they are then why are they trying to held 2010 Hockey World Cup even in that there is Pakistan team.Why aren't they said that we will not have Common wealth games (which too is in 2010, in Delhi) because Pakistani player will play in it?

Cumulative Public following cricket > Cumulative Public following hockey.
Cumulative Passion for cricket > Cumulative passion for hockey.

We all know that, don't we? :sarcasm

 

[Aoun13]

Cumulative Public following cricket > Cumulative Public following hockey.
Cumulative Passion for cricket > Cumulative passion for hockey.

We all know that, don't we? :sarcasm

SO you mean that its passion for cricket by India to snub Pakistani players.

 

[Dare]

SO you mean that its passion for cricket by India to snub Pakistani players.

Something like that.

 

[sohum]

Well one thing I want to add on ongoing topic, if India was so much concern of Pakistani players security and they are then why are they trying to held 2010 Hockey World Cup even in that there is Pakistan team.Why aren't they said that we will not have Common wealth games (which too is in 2010, in Delhi) because Pakistani player will play in it?

Because cricket is a mainstream sport in India whereas hockey isn't followed as much, anymore. Certainly the popularity of cricket versus hockey in India is not comparable. You need more security for people who are likelier target--for example, the government wouldn't provide any extra security for a civilian of Pakistan visiting India.

Also, the government never said they will not have the IPL... so I don't know where you argument of "why aren't they said [sic] that we will not have Common wealth games..." fits in.

 

[sohum]

SO you mean that its passion for cricket by India to snub Pakistani players.

Oops, I didn't get the memo where the entire cricket-watching public of India elected to snub the Pakistani players. :sarcasm

How many times does it have to be said? The franchises did not select the Pakistani players. The franchises are privately owned businesses. They can do whatever the hell they please. If the Mumbai Indians decided to draft the entire Zimbabwe squad, they could do that.

As it happens, going by the words of a few franchise owners, the Pakistani players (who were approved to participate by the IPL steering committee) were not selected on the basis of questionability of availability due to IndoPak relations. IndoPak relations is not based on whether people want to see Pakistan players in the IPL. It is a political issue.

 

[tech.007]

it's absolutely right that Pak players were not selected...they deserved that..they are getting the fruits of mumbai attacks.

 

[icyman]

it's absolutely right that Pak players were not selected...they deserved that..they are getting the fruits of mumbai attacks.

Lets not get deep into all that. We already have enough tensions running high out here

 

[Chetan0304]

Lets not get deep into all that. We already have enough tensions running high out here

Was wondering why that guy got banned.



right one, he was a tool in the other thread

 

[IanG]

I don't think the ICC can do anything. It's a competition run domestically and all the clubs are privately owned.