Is Shivnarine Chanderpaul selfish?

[King Cricket]

Pietersen destroyed the best bowling attack of the past 15 years with ease

You mean the Australian bowling attack? Why, even our Vajji Singh can hammer these bowlers.

 

[Highlander999]

Pietersen's a better batsman then Chanderpaul.

Absolute rubbish. I would take Chanderpaul over Pietersen any day

 

[manee]

Chanderpaul's average against Australia was beefed up from the last series where he faced a deteriating Brett Lee, out of form Mitchell Johnson & Stuart Clark, Stuart MacGil when his body was able to collaspe on him and a joke of a selection - Beau Casson. Chanderpaul averaged only 34 against Australia before McGrath & Warne retired.

Lee was in top form as was Stuart Clark. Lee topped the wicket takers list with 18 wickets at 23.72 whereas Clark was third with 13 at 19.30. MacGill and Johnson were shocking in that series, but Clark and Lee were top class bowlers in that series.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Lee was in top form as was Stuart Clark. Lee topped the wicket takers list with 18 wickets at 23.72 whereas Clark was third with 13 at 19.30. MacGill and Johnson were shocking in that series, but Clark and Lee were top class bowlers in that series.

Lee was still in depression from his seperation from his wife.

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You mean the Australian bowling attack? Why, even our Vajji Singh can hammer these bowlers.

Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Jason Gillespie, Brett Lee, Stuart Clark?

 

[King Cricket]

I hope Ben has checked cricinfo before claiming KP is a better player than Shiv

Let's see how he reacts to this stat:
Last 12 Months

Shiv's test average: 95.18
KP's test average: 55.33

ODI's

Shiv's average: 91
KP's average: 40.38

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[Skater]

Stats mean pretty much sod all until a player is about 28. There may be great players, but they have flaws. Stats show Pietersen is an awesome batsman, but in reality he's probably the most frustrating man to have played for us since Ian Botham.

 

[King Cricket]

Another stat:
Last two years:
KP: (Tests) 52.40
Shiv: 92.24

KP(ODI): 38.22
Shiv: nearly 75

Clearly shows who is more consistent

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Another stat

Last 4 years
KP(Tests): 51.09
Shiv: 62.45

KP(ODI): 40.66
Shiv: 53.92

 

[aussie_ben91]

I hope Ben has checked cricinfo before claiming KP is a better player than Shiv

Let's see how he reacts to this stat:
Last 12 Months

Shiv's test average: 95.18
KP's test average: 55.33

ODI's

Shiv's average: 91
KP's average: 40.38

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You are too reliant on stats. Pietersen is a top-order batsman and plays in more difficult conditions whilst Chanderpaul is a lower-middle order batsman that bats with the tail and plays for not outs. When Pietersen is batting for the team and trying to get quick runs, he hits out & usually gets out because of it whilst Chanderpaul lets the tailenders get out to benefit his average.

In the last 12 months, Pietersen has scored 5 Test centuries and Chanderpaul has scored 4 Test centuries, which clearly indicates how much Chanderpaul's statistics are reliant on not outs because Chanderpaul is averaging 95 but yet has scored less 100's then Pietersen who is averaging 55.

Pietersen > Chanderpaul

 

[manee]

Lee was still in depression from his seperation from his wife.

Lee announced the separation from his wife on 21 August 2008 according to wikipedia. The Test tour of West Indies ended on 12 June 2008. Moreover, it didn't appear to affect his bowling greatly on the West Indies tour as he was the top wicket taker and bowled with great pace on occasions.

manee added 1 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...

You are too reliant on stats. Pietersen is a top-order batsman and plays in more difficult conditions whilst Chanderpaul is a lower-middle order batsman that bats with the tail and plays for not outs. When Pietersen is batting for the team and trying to get quick runs, he hits out & usually gets out because of it whilst Chanderpaul lets the tailenders get out to benefit his average.

In the last 12 months, Pietersen has scored 5 Test centuries and Chanderpaul has scored 4 Test centuries, which clearly indicates how much Chanderpaul's statistics are reliant on not outs because Chanderpaul is averaging 95 but yet has scored less 100's then Pietersen who is averaging 55.

Pietersen > Chanderpaul

The statistical generation really has begun to look at not outs as a negative thing. It is a truly absurd assumption to make as Chanderpaul's not outs have come as he carries his bat as his team mates fall around him. He is coming in at five and often batting great periods of time and looking like he could bat for far longer, if he had the support.

 

[King Cricket]

Once another stat:

KP(Whole career) Tests: 51.09
Shiv (From the time KP started playing, ie, 2004): 62.98

KP(Whole career, ODI's): 40.66
Shiv(From 2004): 49.94

And we get slammed by people for comparing Sehwag with Hayden :

 

[aussie_ben91]

The statistical generation really has begun to look at not outs as a negative thing. It is a truly absurd assumption to make as Chanderpaul's not outs have come as he carries his bat as his team mates fall around him.

Yeah because he bats so low down the order. He generally bats at 5 and sometimes at 6 when a nightwatchmen comes in.

He is coming in at five and often batting great periods of time and looking like he could bat for far longer, if he had the support.

If that was the case then why doesn't Chanderpaul move up the batting order like Pietersen did?

He obviously likes facing the older ball because if he comes in when the ball is still new & he hasn't gotten his eye in then his technique will be exposed. Hence why he averages in the low 30's batting at 3 & 4. Middle-order batsman that rely on not outs can't be considered one of the best.

 

[King Cricket]

In the last 12 months, Pietersen has scored 5 Test centuries and Chanderpaul has scored 4 Test centuries

Now you are too reliant on centuries

Mind if I post another stat? (Partly calculated by me)
In ODI's Shiv has remained not out in approximately 16 percent of the matches whereas KP has remained not out in approximately 19 percent of the matches.

In tests, however, Shiv has remained not outs in 15 percent of the matches, whereas KP has remained not out in approximately 5 percent of the matches
Now my question to Ben, what about the remaining 84% of the matches in tests and 85% of the matches in ODI's?

 

[King Pietersen]

Pietersen's got more talent, but Chanderpaul's been far better in the last 2 years. That's a fact. As for the Pietersen comments, even I'll lambast him for those, pretty stupid thing to say really. He was probably joking though tbh, anything written down seems worse than when said. Where's the link for these comments as well Ben?

 

[aussie_ben91]

Once another stat:

KP(Whole career) Tests: 51.09
Shiv (From the time KP started playing, ie, 2004): 62.98

KP(Whole career, ODI's): 40.66
Shiv(From 2004): 49.94

And we get slammed by people for comparing Sehwag with Hayden :

Pietersen's Test debut was on the 21st of July, 2005. Since that date, Chanderpaul has scored 7 Test centuries whilst Pietersen has scored 16.

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Pietersen's got more talent, but Chanderpaul's been far better in the last 2 years. That's a fact. As for the Pietersen comments, even I'll lambast him for those, pretty stupid thing to say really. He was probably joking though tbh, anything written down seems worse than when said. Where's the link for these comments as well Ben?

They were talking about it last night during the England vs West Indies match, when Chanderpaul came out to bat. Search it up on google.

 

[nightprowler10]

Pietersen's got more talent, but Chanderpaul's been far better in the last 2 years. That's a fact.

Couldn't agree more. As I've said in another thread, I think KP will be one of the best batsmen in the next decade, but right now I'll take Shiv over KP any day of the week. KP just underperforms so much.