It's just not cricket

[sohum]

The 5 day match, easily.

Well, to each his own. Personally, I'm not preconditioned to "any Test match is better than any T20 match". I'm a hardcore cricket fan but I sure ain't an unconditional one.

Yes, I do know what you mean. It's great cricket, and assuming it's held the way it should be in India, it should be another great tournament - not with all the cheerleaders and "entertainment" that is added to it. The cricket is supposed to be the main focus...no bands or anything playing.

Again, you failed to understand my point. The ICC World Cup in West Indies in 2007 was a failure because it tried to be a money-grabbing adventure. The IPL is succeeding in spite of being the same. Which shows that the IPL knows something about marketing that the ICC does not. The fiasco stretches back even farther when, in 2003, the GCC's stupid conditional clauses in player contracts almost caused the Indian players to give the World Cup a miss.

So you are saying you'd be in better form if you hit 250 runs @ 40-60 with a strike rate of 120 for the test series coming up, or spending that time in the nets?

While net cricket has its pros, I don't think there's any substitute for real cricket when preparing for a game. Sure, you will work on certain aspects of your technique better in the nets, but while in a real game, you're playing in real situations.

That deeply saddens me.

Then you should broadcast your sorrows to the players who obviously have their own benefits in mind. You can't just attack the IPL because its an easy target.

Yes, but there are more negatives than positives, IMO. That is why I don't like it, apart from the fact that I don't like the format of cricket, nor the way it is treated.

All forms of cricket have negatives. Test cricket can be considered far too slow and if the competition is unmatched or the pitch is not ideal, then you could end up gaining very little over five days (case in point being the India-South Africa test match last year or maybe two years ago where Sehwag scored his second triple-ton). ODI cricket has had its share of trouble with the stagnating middle overs and the constant changing of the rules. Limited overs cricket was frowned upon when it was first introduced because it didn't comply with the purists notions of what cricket should be. I think we're seeing the same thing here. A game is not going to continue holding the same popularity till the end of time by staying the same. Even Test cricket has changed with things such as the rest day in between being done away with and mandating 90 overs of play a day.

 

[Covvy]

LOL Sohum V.S Jake, who will win? I for one am half-way each.

 

[Howsie]

If Australia or England were to set-up their own type of 20/20 tournament like the IPL I have to wonder how the Indian fan's would feel if it started to interupt with their international cricket.

Would Yuvraj Singh and MS Dhoni turn down 1-2 million dollars, doubt it. I just hate the fact that it's getting in the way of international cricket, make a three week window for it and I wouldn't mind.

 

[Jakester1288]

If Australia or England were to set-up their own type of 20/20 tournament like the IPL I have to wonder how the Indian fan's would feel if it started to interupt with their international cricket.

Would Yuvraj Singh and MS Dhoni turn down 1-2 million dollars, doubt it. I just hate the fact that it's getting in the way of international cricket, make a three week window for it and I wouldn't mind.

I completely agree with this post.

 

[SaiSrini]

LOL Sohum V.S Jake, who will win? I for one am half-way each.

Sohum all the way! He has been giving the right facts.

5 day cricket is so great right, ODI's are so great right? Then dont they have the power to keep their flag flying inspite of the onslaught of T20 cricket (or what you call, the IPL). Its our (Indian) domestic tournament. We do whatever we want (add Bollywood glamour to it, dancing, etc). We are not going to each and every country and begging them to come and play in our tournament. The ICC let us exist because its a domestic competition. Just as county cricket attracts overseas players, we attract too. And they came in hordes seeing the money. Now blame the players who bought into the money.

The way other country fans are talking about how the IPL has been a waste of time and is not cricket, it seems to have really made them jealous of its sucess (or else, why would they be talking about it?). The IPL is here to stay. Police your own players, police your own board. The IPL is not going anywhere!

 

[SaiSrini]

If Australia or England were to set-up their own type of 20/20 tournament like the IPL I have to wonder how the Indian fan's would feel if it started to interupt with their international cricket.

Would Yuvraj Singh and MS Dhoni turn down 1-2 million dollars, doubt it. I just hate the fact that it's getting in the way of international cricket, make a three week window for it and I wouldn't mind.

Let that happen before we pass judgements. India is not the same as Australia or England when it comes to how people react. We would abuse the cricketers, not call for the concerned tournament to be brought down.

 

[Howsie]

Sohum all the way! He has been giving the right facts.

5 day cricket is so great right, ODI's are so great right? Then dont they have the power to keep their flag flying inspite of the onslaught of T20 cricket (or what you call, the IPL). Its our (Indian) domestic tournament. We do whatever we want (add Bollywood glamour to it, dancing, etc). We are not going to each and every country and begging them to come and play in our tournament. The ICC let us exist because its a domestic competition. Just as county cricket attracts overseas players, we attract too. And they came in hordes seeing the money. Now blame the players who bought into the money.

The way other country fans are talking about how the IPL has been a waste of time and is not cricket, it seems to have really made them jealous of its sucess (or else, why would they be talking about it?). The IPL is here to stay. Police your own players, police your own board. The IPL is not going anywhere!

That post sums up why I'm not a Indian fan in general tbh. Put yourself in other fan's situations when there players have to choose between their country and the IPL. Read my first post in this thread.

Howsie added 9 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

Let that happen before we pass judgements. India is not the same as Australia or England when it comes to how people react. We would abuse the cricketers, not call for the concerned tournament to be brought down.

So you wouldn't be angry that a 20/20 tournament is taking players away from your test team. I highly doubt that all Indian fan's would just blame the players.

And for the record it's not the players fault, they have every right to make enough money to provide for their families. I blame the IPL and the ICC.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

You know what I'm talking about. The IPL.

It's a waste of time.

- For who? The players manage to earn a living from the sport they love for a change, and the fans are entertained.

Only the Indians like it.

- Several English writers on Cricinfo loved it. They even had a whole section dedicated to the IPL during it (IPL Page 2). Are you now saying Cricinfo is run by Indians?

It's a money grabbing scheme.

- What in this world isn't?

It only causes injuries.

- It's Cricket. You are as likely to get injured in the IPL as you are in a charity match or domestic cricket.

It's not entertainment.

- To you. I loved it.

People take it say to seriously (eg Indians saying "OMFG YYOUUU MUUUUSSSTTTTTTT PICKKKK THIS PLAYERZ FOR AUSSIES THIS SESON CAUSE THEY HIT A SIXXER IN THE IPLL!!!111 OH AND DONT FORGET UV KING OF SIXEERRSSSS!!!!111!!!"

- Show me one person above the age of 14 who has said that. One.

Bodyline was much better.

- You are an idiot. Bodyline threatened to seriously harm players, ruin their careers and put the England-Australian relations in disarray. The IPL has finally given several of these players a chance to make a living comparable to other athletes, and has opened up so many possibilities for the future. Where else will you get to see Warne bowling to Hayden, Kumble to Sachin? Imagine a talented associate-nation player like Rizwan Cheema who finally gets to go pro thanks to the IPL. Imagine the learning experiences a young player like Morkel or Kulkarlani will get from sharing a dressing room with Warne or Sachin. It's brilliant.


I could go on, but I wont.

- Please don't.

I'm not going to even bother with what may have been said in the rest of this thread. None of you have a legitimate reason for hating the IPL apart from the fact that it's different, it's new, and young teenage Indian kids may have ruined it for you. Pathetic.

 

[Howsie]

I'm not going to even bother with what may have been said in the rest of this thread. None of you have a legitimate reason for hating the IPL apart from the fact that it's different, it's new, and young teenage Indian kids may have ruined it for you. Pathetic.

Except for when it disrupt's international cricket, I think some people have very good reasons for not liking it.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

You can blame the ICC and the boards of the countries involved in that case. The BCCI is naturally going to host the IPL whenever they want. You want that to stop intruding on the international cricket calendar, then it's up to the ICC to step it. The IPL isn't to blame.

 

[spaga1994]

ill say that i hate the IPL although its meant to be "entertainment" as wierd as it sounds just slogging makes me bored after 2-5 overs. although i dont mind 1 or 2 20/20 internationals a year

 

[Howsie]

You can blame the ICC and the boards of the countries involved in that case. The BCCI is naturally going to host the IPL whenever they want. You want that to stop intruding on the international cricket calendar, then it's up to the ICC to step it. The IPL isn't to blame.

Blame the ICC, yes. But I would find it very hard to blame NZC, they don't have the fund's to pay the likes of McCullum and Vettori million dollar contracts.

I'll blame the IPL even more if they decide to make the tournament last longer and move into March (NZ's Summer). Is someone forcing them too make the tournament longer?

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Nope. But put yourself in their shoes. You're running a tournament that's generating MASSIVE profit and interest, you have a huge and near endless market to tap into, wouldn't you try to make the most of it?

And if the NZC doesn't have the funds to match the IPL, then the ICC should step in and, as many have suggested, make a window for the IPL so that it doesn't interfere with international cricket.

Ofcourse, the ICC could always pay the NZC more so they can pay their players more, but I doubt the ICC has the funds to match the BCCI/IPL themselves :help

 

[Howsie]

Nope. But put yourself in their shoes. You're running a tournament that's generating MASSIVE profit and interest, you have a huge and near endless market to tap into, wouldn't you try to make the most of it?

And if the NZC doesn't have the funds to match the IPL, then the ICC should step in and, as many have suggested, make a window for the IPL so that it doesn't interfere with international cricket.

Ofcourse, the ICC could always pay the NZC more so they can pay their players more, but I doubt the ICC has the funds to match the BCCI/IPL themselves :help

Yea make a three week window, simple. Oh and if the BCCI/IPL wan't the IPL to go longer play it during India's cricket season (When teams are toruing India) let's see if they like having player's wanting to play in the IPL over India.

 

[SciD]

Tired of these threads now. :laugh