It's just not cricket

[dajesmac]

Yea except for the fact that the IPL has the potential to draw top line international players away from test cricket.

Fair call, but I hope to god that doesn't happen.

 

[Mercules]

Besides, I'd like to add, that if it wasn't for the IPL, many professional cricketers would consider changing profession because of the inability of their cricket boards to pay them. For example, the Sri Lankan and West Indian cricket boards have been embroiled in an economic mess for as long as I can remember. If it wasn't for their IPL contracts, they may even have quit cricket altogether because they do have families and their livelihood to think about, as well.

Take the example of Chris Gayle. He is one of several West Indian cricketers with an IPL contract that will now be depending on his paycheck from that tournament since his national cricket board sucks. If the IPL allows players like Chris Gayle to continue playing the game, then I'm happy to deal with whatever negatives it brings up.

lmao. Even with the payout mishaps, cricket is still like the most lucrative profession in the West Indies. There's no way Gayle would have ever retired without the IPL.

 

[sohum]

If Australia or England were to set-up their own type of 20/20 tournament like the IPL I have to wonder how the Indian fan's would feel if it started to interupt with their international cricket.

Would Yuvraj Singh and MS Dhoni turn down 1-2 million dollars, doubt it. I just hate the fact that it's getting in the way of international cricket, make a three week window for it and I wouldn't mind.

Actually, you're getting far too hypothetical here. But considering the fact that you need to be one in a million to have a shot at getting into the Indian team and the fact that the BCCI basically mints money, I'd say that a combination of luring Indians away from an APL or EPL and strong-arm tactics would ensure Indian players played for their country... unless the BCCI was involved in a revenue-sharing program in which case they'd just run after the money. The one thing that is productive from this hypothetical argument, though, is the fact that whether it was an APL, EPL or IPL, the tournament is not to blame. It would be the ICC for not putting in measures that ensured a domestic tournament didn't get too out of hand.

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Yea make a three week window, simple. Oh and if the BCCI/IPL wan't the IPL to go longer play it during India's cricket season (When teams are toruing India) let's see if they like having player's wanting to play in the IPL over India.

There'd be a massive conflict of interest there, wouldn't it? Besides, Lalit Modi has already said that Indian players can skip the IPL if they wish, after a couple of them (including Sehwag) complained that they had picked up injuries there.

sohum added 2 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

Cricinfo is run by Americans, in America. All Americans want is Twenty20 because it's short, like Baseball.

You've had ample opportunity to take this statement back, but haven't. Cricinfo was started by a British researcher in America but it has now grown to have offices in "London, Bangalore and Australia, as well as editorial presences in all major Test-playing nations." To call it American would be extremely silly.

sohum added 4 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

I agree. How is Brett Lee worth $750000 or whatever he was being payed to play a few matches where he bowls 4 overs? It's ridiculous amounts of money that they don't deserve. A domestic league doesn't have so many internationals and overseas players, Australian states might get 1, 2 max, if any at all, players to represent them in the season - then, it's in FC and ODI, plus when the Twenty20 competition comes along, they participate in that too, if it fits in with their timing.

Who are you to decide how someone else spends their money? If you won the lottery tomorrow would it be a valid argument for me to say "How did Jakester get paid $1m just for going to the grocery store and buying a ticket? That's ridiculous amounts of money that he doesn't deserve." Besides, you seem to be oblivious of the fact that these are not single-year sums, these are values for multi-year contracts.

Which is exactly what I do. I am proud to say that I haven't watched a single game from the second season, and I watched 1 game (McCullum's overrated hack where he made 158), which put me to sleep.

You have just surrendered any credibility when it comes to deciding whether IPL games are good or bad. If you've watched one game, I claim that you have no right to make sweeping generalizations of what the games could be like. That's like me pretending all NFL games are boring having seen just 1-2 games in my life.

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And too say something else would of come around doesn't make sense, the ICL did come around and it was quickly dimissed as a rebel league. You also brang up the fact that it's increasing salaries, you can look at this as a bad thing to. The IPL paid Brendon McCullum for example more money in three weeks then he would make in 3-4 years for NZ. If international cricket get's in the way of the IPL we will see player's deciding to play in the IPL, the NZ players have already said it will become a problem in the future if something isn't done about it.

It does make sense, though. The ICL was labeled a rebel league because it did not have the backing of any official cricket board. If Cricket Australia or the ECB had come up with a concept like the IPL (which they had been thinking about) and implemented it, then it would not have been dismissed as a rebel league since it had an official backing.

Also, remember that the contracts are (for the most part) 5-year agreements. Meaning he only gets paid the full amount if he is available for all 5 years. Otherwise he'll get something contingent on how many games he played.

 

[Work Horse]

Imo Test Cricket should be the pinnacle, 50 Overs should be the testing ground with new rules ect and Twenty 20 SHOULD be "hit and giggle" the Australia v New Zealand where they had the (iirc) the 70's theme and the fake underarm incident is how it should stay there should be mascots aplenty and the indians need to get off there success in the first World Cup(which really shouldnt have taken place) and come back down to earth.

 

[sohum]

I just can't see how that's a good thing. The IPL is paying players (That aren't that good) way too much money. These young guys are probably going to work on their 20/20 game more so then working on becoming a good test/FC player.

But that is their choice to make. Teams are making investments on these players based on what they measure to be the productivity possible from them as well as their marketability. If these investments don't mature as expected, then you can rest assured that they will not be as valuable in the future.

I know a lot of people like the IPL and I'm not trying to rubbish it (I don't mind it tbh, a few things bug me though). But the IPL will do a lot more damage to cricket in NZ, and the West Indies then good.

It is doing damage, but the only thing the IPL is guilty of breaching is moral obligations. You can't expect a profit-driven organization to act morally of its own accord. Which is why private organizations still have to follow government ordinances. Similarly, the ICC needs to be proactive in making sure Test cricket remains superior by instating rules such as an IPL window and standardizing the Test calendar (get rid of the FTP for God's sake) to make it more appealing and less complicated.

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lmao. Even with the payout mishaps, cricket is still like the most lucrative profession in the West Indies. There's no way Gayle would have ever retired without the IPL.

That's why he said that he wouldn't be sad if Test cricket died out. What if you were asked to work for one whole year without pay and someone else offered you a 3-4 week job that gave you your annual salary? :sarcasm

sohum added 1 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

Imo Test Cricket should be the pinnacle, 50 Overs should be the testing ground with new rules ect and Twenty 20 SHOULD be "hit and giggle" the Australia v New Zealand where they had the (iirc) the 70's theme and the fake underarm incident is how it should stay there should be mascots aplenty and the indians need to get off there success in the first World Cup(which really shouldnt have taken place) and come back down to earth.

Imo, the world should be free of starvation, poverty and AIDS and everyone should lead a happy life. Happy thoughts but they aren't going to happen automatically (and in some cases they aren't going to happen at all). If the ICC wants to maintain Test cricket as the pinnacle, they should stop silly things such as the FTP and holding the T20 World Cup so frequently. If they want to keep the IPL controlled, they need to make a cage for it. You can't just expect private organizations with their own profits in mind to be working towards a greater good.

 

[dajesmac]

You've had ample opportunity to take this statement back, but haven't. Cricinfo was started by a British researcher in America but it has now grown to have offices in "London, Bangalore and Australia, as well as editorial presences in all major Test-playing nations." To call it American would be extremely silly.

Well it did just get bought out by ESPN.

 

[pal]

Nearly every major national cricket board had plans to create leagues similar to the IPL. Does that tell us that they are concerned about how such leagues would detract from their international fixtures?

If that was such a pressing concern for those nations, they should have done something about it. Instead, they came out with proposals for their own leagues, England with its P20 league and South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand with the Southern Premier League. Can you imagine how cluttered the international calendar would be if there were three such leagues?

 

[dajesmac]

Nearly every major national cricket board had plans to create leagues similar to the IPL. Does that tell us that they are concerned about how such leagues would detract from their international fixtures?

If that was such a pressing concern for those nations, they should have done something about it. Instead, they came out with proposals for their own leagues, England with its P20 league and South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand with the Southern Premier League. Can you imagine how cluttered the international calendar would be if there were three such leagues?

Both the P20 and the South Premier League were cancelled I'm 80% sure.
The P20 certainly was.

It's a silly idea anyway, seeing as all of the countries mentioned all have their own Twenty20 leagues. It's exactly the same as the Indian Premier League, except with less exposure and probably less money flying around.

 

[pal]

Both the P20 and the South Premier League were cancelled I'm 80% sure.
The P20 certainly was.

It's a silly idea anyway, seeing as all of the countries mentioned all have their own Twenty20 leagues. It's exactly the same as the Indian Premier League, except with less exposure and probably less money flying around.

The financial crunch and Allen Stanford's timely arrest for fraud, among other things, did help to derail the P20 league. I haven't heard too much about the future of the Southern Premier League.

It would have certainly helped their cases against the IPL's hampering effect on their international commitments if they had made a stand against it, rather than propose plans for similar leagues which would have only furthered the problem. Now that it looks like those plans have been abandoned, I think the ICC would do well to create a window for just the IPL and move on.

 

[sohum]

Well it did just get bought out by ESPN.

It's been bought by ESPN for a while. That doesn't really prove anything, though. I mean Rupert Murdoch owns Star TV, which owns Star Cricket, which is a 24-hour Indian cricket channel. Does that make Star Cricket Australian? I don't think so.

 

[Ollie_H]

Manee, in that link you posted about chris gayle. I swear Gayle and actually speak pretty good english? That just doesn't read like him.

 

[King Pietersen]

You noticed there's an audio stream of the conversation right? It does sound more natural, and more Chris Gayle when you listen to it, does read very strange though I agree.

 

[jordox]

I don't understand the point of this thread.

I don't like the IPL either. But I don't really see your point Jake. If you don't like it, don't watch it - it's on late at night in Australia anyway, so not watching it is pretty easy to do, you just..... not watch it.

The fact of the matter is that it has been successful. It's pretty apparent other people like it, so what if we don't? Who cares?

 

[SaiSrini]

That post sums up why I'm not a Indian fan in general tbh. Put yourself in other fan's situations when there players have to choose between their country and the IPL. Read my first post in this thread.

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So you wouldn't be angry that a 20/20 tournament is taking players away from your test team. I highly doubt that all Indian fan's would just blame the players.

And for the record it's not the players fault, they have every right to make enough money to provide for their families. I blame the IPL and the ICC.

Again, I will put myself on the other fan's shoes and still will blame the players for taking those decisions where they put international cricket in the backburner. I wont blame the IPL, never! They are running within the specified norms, and also they are providing financial security to so many players now, which before was unthinkable. The monopoly that international cricket had before, has now been broken and that can be a good thing for sport (board which took players for granted will now be forced to rethink). You will see more people coming into sports now, which is always a good thing.

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Yea make a three week window, simple. Oh and if the BCCI/IPL wan't the IPL to go longer play it during India's cricket season (When teams are toruing India) let's see if they like having player's wanting to play in the IPL over India.

We are not going to do that. If your board cant withstand the IPL and cant keep the players attracted to the country's national teams, maybe you guys dont deserve to be playing international cricket.

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Seriously, who cares if the Indians like it, it's their domestic Twenty20 league. It's like the Indians complaining to us how are KFC Twenty20 Big Bash isn't entertaining.

IMO, it has been completely over done and overrated. The fact that it is only twenty overs means the difference skill in between teams is narrowed. You could have a completely all start team, but all things considered, they'll only make like 15 off 7 balls, or 40 off 20. Totally defeats the purpose of actually buying the stars when absolutely anyone can do what they're doing. If it was a FC or 50 over comp, the players could actually provide something mroe substantial.

Having said it, it's their competition, their league. If we don't like it, don't watch it.

Fair enough! But it feels happy that other country fans are getting worked up by it (as sid said, even when the IPL is not on). Its the most popular domestic league of all countries, followed by other country fans too (those who say they dont watch it, where do you get the info to start threads like these?):laugh

saisrini80 added 1 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...

IWhich is exactly what I do. I am proud to say that I haven't watched a single game from the second season, and I watched 1 game (McCullum's overrated hack where he made 158), which put me to sleep.

Twenty20 puts me to sleep, and Test cricket doesn't. Yet Twenty20 is entertainment, and Test cricket it boring?

I know you like Test cricket more and you hate Twenty20, but that explanation is extremely manipulated.

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Dumbest....post....ever.

Thank you! Get ready to read more of those FOREVER!

 

[sohum]

Guys, no personal attacks at all. Thanks.