Jan 3-7: 5th Test: Australia v England at Sydney

Discussion in 'The Ashes 2010-11' started by aussie1st, Dec 28, 2010.

  1. War Chairman of Selectors

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    I hear you sylvester & its an interesting & very plausible theory. But i dont know if i buy it fully since you are basically saying Johnson is single handedly responsible for the other AUS bowlers not getting consistent swing (conventionally or reverse) all series. That seem a bit extreme dont you think?.

    Since again i think back to the in SA & Ashes 09 summer when Hilfenhaus was getting all the swing. Johnson was playing all those games.

    Plus the 09/10 home summer & 2008 tour to IND when Watson was getting all his reverse-swing. Johnson was playing all those games.

    So im not sure, if we really put all those problems of the entire pace attack down the Johnson's inability to know where he will make the ball land on the surface.
     
  2. Krypta School Cricketer

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    Did Australia swing the ball at all in the 2nd test when Johnson didn't play?
     
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    I'm not saying hes the sole reason, there are a heap of other reasons such as the batsmen smashing the ball around, the pitch, the other bowlers, overhead conditions, etc. But he is definitely part of the problem. That is not to say we can't ever reverse it as we have shown we can but the only time our reverse swing has looked threatening is when Lee was doing it, mostly because of his pace.

    I don't remember much of Hilfy reverse swinging it but obviously it was no where near as lethal as the reverse swing we saw in this test or from Jones and Flintoff. In part that it is to do with the bowler and it is also to do with how much more shiny one side is to the other.
     
  4. angryangy ICC Chairman

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    Yeah I remember that Johnson theory too; it was a lot more clear cut before that South Africa tour. I think that maybe he can impede swing in conditions where it is easy to scuff the ball. If for example you have conditions that will definitely swing for anyone or even a ball that needs to see the lacquer off it, then it's a different story.
     
  5. War Chairman of Selectors

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    Nope.

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    Ye well fair enough then syl.
     

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