ODI should be scrapped

Complete arrogance...... What are you trying to show up bro , if you have lots of work so are we sitting here without doing anything . .

it was a healthy topic of discussion and you call ourselves as a newbie? so perhaps we were wasting our precious time with guys like you actually[DOUBLEPOST=1461669067][/DOUBLEPOST]
Okay so you guys are arguing that T20 will pull new fans but if that happens then they will only be interested in T20 cricket because if they can't watch ODIs they sure as hell won't watch tests which would result in test cricket dying and T20 would be the only format to exist. T20 fans aren't fans that cricket wants or needs...

But cricket wont be able to make new fans with formats such as test or ODI.
 
You all win. Write a petition to ICC chairman with all your arguments and get succeeded. Its waste of time arguing with you guys.

I have lot more things to do in this forums rather than discussing with bunch of newbies. Good luck for your attempt to scrap ODIs.
nice idea . writing petition to icc is actually more mindful than having so called discussion with self boasted cricket expert like you..LOL
 
What are you trying to show up bro , if you have lots of work so are we sitting here without doing anything . .
I have lot more things to do in this forums
It was a healthy topic of discussion and you call ourselves as a newbie?
If you call your discussion a healthy topic then answer this :
just a quick question for the thread maker, is the thread created to get our views, or to ask us repeatedly to agree with the view presented?
 
Complete arrogance...... What are you trying to show up bro , if you have lots of work so are we sitting here without doing anything . .

it was a healthy topic of discussion and you call ourselves as a newbie? so perhaps we were wasting our precious time with guys like you actually[DOUBLEPOST=1461669067][/DOUBLEPOST]

But cricket wont be able to make new fans with formats such as test or ODI.
yes it was a healthy discussion but now its not going anywhere i think so ,
 
All those who don't agree to your arguments are called "self boasted cricket experts". Great :clap
everyone except you is a newbie :) Great :clap[DOUBLEPOST=1461670127][/DOUBLEPOST]
just a quick question for the thread maker, is the thread created to get our views, or to ask us repeatedly to agree with the view presented? [HASHTAG]#justasking[/HASHTAG]


Fwiw Odi's here to stay and not going away anytime soon!
i didn't get you actually. never mind please , i just wanted to exchange some ideas and opinions about this issue. anyway best of luck
 
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The official mobile app had more than 2.5 million active users during the 28-day event and the official Fantasy League saw close to one million fantasy teams being created.

ICC chief executive David Richardson said that it is a fact that the ICC World Twenty20 2016 engaged with fans, old and new, like never before.



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ICC T20 World Cup was watched by 730 million viewers in India - The Economic Times
 
"World T20 and World cup 2015 viewership were on similar levels."

From where you have done your research? as per my knowledge and gathered data from internet , its clear that wt20 format go much ahead than world cup in terms of revenue and tv viewership.

source - ICC T20 World Cup was watched by 730 million viewers in India - The Economic Times

The ICC World Twenty20 that ended earlier this month saw cumulative in-home TV viewership in India reach 730 million, an increase of 114% over the previous edition.

The India versus Pakistan encounter rated 17.3 across the Star Sports network and Doordarshan in India, becoming the best rated Twenty20 game ever since the final of the World Twenty20 in 2007. It reached 83 million people in the country.

South Africa-based broadcaster SuperSport saw ratings increase by 32% compared to the last edition of the ICC World Twenty20 two years ago, while in the UK, the men's final saw a peak audience of 2.45 million, which is a record for any cricket match broadcast on Sky Sports.

In the United States of America, on Willow, the coverage was watched in over 1.4 million television households.

Read more at:
ICC T20 World Cup was watched by 730 million viewers in India - The Economic Times


Read more at:
ICC T20 World Cup was watched by 730 million viewers in India - The Economic Times


IPL makes Sony Max second-most watched TV channel
IPL makes Sony Max second-most watched TV channel - Livemint[DOUBLEPOST=1461608577][/DOUBLEPOST] Time to stop beating a dead horse


Hey not to forget that the broadcast time of the 2015 world cup was about 6 to 7 in the morning which was not as suitable as those of 7 or 8 in the evening in the world t20.
 
bro this is time when crowd is looking for fast pace action in short time span, why they would like to watch 8-9 hours of play . you just go and analyze the match results for last few ODIs, mostly either would be one sided or time consuming and other thing , if we really have to think about expansion of this game into other countries such as IRELAND,scotland,netherland , ODI or test format can never be successful this way . with t20 only we have chance to take this sport on real global level

The WC in Australia was played in front of numerous packed houses as was the final. When we have ODI matches in England, the majority of stadiums are sold out...more importantly, the price point is higher than it is for a t20 ticket so more money is made either way, sell out or not.

In terms of attracting new fans or spreading cricket to new territories, t20 may be able to get a foot hold, as it has done with cricket in Ireland for example. But for cricket to grow, it requires consistent ODI cricket and following on from that, test cricket. Plus, this idea that somehow t20 cricket is important in spreading the game is dated and in my opinion, untrue, because the big event in t20 cricket is the IPL. Now, having many friends of Indian origin, they are massive IPL fans, they watch it religiously but they don't watch cricket. They might tune in for the odd India game or the odd world t20 but they don't stay for the cricket. So, in reality, it's not drawing a crowd to cricket, it's drawing a crowd to a particular tournament. That is detrimental to the development of cricket fans.

Having said that, I personally find t20 entertaining and the world t20 was fun, so I haven o problem with it on that basis but it can not supersede ODI cricket on a technical level and currently, on a monetary level and it most definitely can not do so on a cricketing level.
 
Apologies for that word. :)

I used that word just because you guys joined the forums this month and were not going through the basic of discussion - please allow us to express our opinion on the topic. We are not against you guys. We want to post our views. I tried my best to justify my argument so far but you guys were not allowing me to do so. You were just against the views which I was posting. Apologies once again.

Don't get me wrong. I can't tolerate if someone keeps annoying me with the post against my views.

Getting back to the topic - As Markkkk said, people need some change in entertainment. It is absolutely right in path of Associate country developement. But having only T20s is just boring and ODIs gives some variety in entertainment. We watch cricket for entertainment and love for that sport. In the same way we have to keep our self-satisfactory aspects in mind. Being a damn hard Cricket fans- I'm completely bored with so many T20 games and ODIs bring us some change.

Lastly, this is just my opinion. Please get to me if any of my arguments need some tweaks. Apologies once again :)
Cheers :cheers

Sod.
 
Apologies for that word. :)

I used that word just because you guys joined the forums this month and were not going through the basic of discussion - please allow us to express our opinion on the topic. We are not against you guys. We want to post our views. I tried my best to justify my argument so far but you guys were not allowing me to do so. You were just against the views which I was posting. Apologies once again.

Don't get me wrong. I can't tolerate if someone keeps annoying me with the post against my views.

Getting back to the topic - As Markkkk said, people need some change in entertainment. It is absolutely right in path of Associate country developement. But having only T20s is just boring and ODIs gives some variety in entertainment. We watch cricket for entertainment and love for that sport. In the same way we have to keep our self-satisfactory aspects in mind. Being a damn hard Cricket fans- I'm completely bored with so many T20 games and ODIs bring us some change.

Lastly, this is just my opinion. Please get to me if any of my arguments need some tweaks. Apologies once again :)
Cheers :cheers

Sod.
Chill bro, :) I did not mind at all . a big sorry from my side also . i was bit rude from my side as well . sorry for that . by the way i think you are right with your opinion as well. scrapping out odis completely also would get making all those historical records real useless . i mean cricket is a game of records and it will not be a nice idea to scrape the odi format.

But dont you think 50 overs odi go bit time consuming sometimes, hows about 40 overs per side ODI? IMO[DOUBLEPOST=1461677880][/DOUBLEPOST]
Hey not to forget that the broadcast time of the 2015 world cup was about 6 to 7 in the morning which was not as suitable as those of 7 or 8 in the evening in the world t20.
that might also be a factor . thanks for keeping a note on this thing
 
But dont you think 50 overs odi go bit time consuming sometimes, hows about 40 overs per side ODI? IMO
We do have 40 overs in certain domestic/county cricket. If 50 overs are reduced to 40 then there will not be any difference between an international game and a domestic game. So I don't think it is possible.
 
The WC in Australia was played in front of numerous packed houses as was the final. When we have ODI matches in England, the majority of stadiums are sold out...more importantly, the price point is higher than it is for a t20 ticket so more money is made either way, sell out or not.

In terms of attracting new fans or spreading cricket to new territories, t20 may be able to get a foot hold, as it has done with cricket in Ireland for example. But for cricket to grow, it requires consistent ODI cricket and following on from that, test cricket. Plus, this idea that somehow t20 cricket is important in spreading the game is dated and in my opinion, untrue, because the big event in t20 cricket is the IPL. Now, having many friends of Indian origin, they are massive IPL fans, they watch it religiously but they don't watch cricket. They might tune in for the odd India game or the odd world t20 but they don't stay for the cricket. So, in reality, it's not drawing a crowd to cricket, it's drawing a crowd to a particular tournament. That is detrimental to the development of cricket fans.

Having said that, I personally find t20 entertaining and the world t20 was fun, so I haven o problem with it on that basis but it can not supersede ODI cricket on a technical level and currently, on a monetary level and it most definitely can not do so on a cricketing level.
yeah ODI have its own charm and completely agreed with that but we can make it bit more exciting with new rules such as more than 1 bouncer should be allowed like

where as t20 format better should be used for expansion of this game in new associate countries . it would be a nice idea to host annual t20 tournament like UK t20 league consisting england,ireland,netherland,scotland . this way , all these new teams would get opportunity to play at international level[DOUBLEPOST=1461678278][/DOUBLEPOST]
We do have 40 overs in certain domestic/county cricket. If 50 overs are reduced to 40 then there will not be any difference between an international game and a domestic game. So I don't think it is possible.
yeah in some domestic county matches , teams already playing with 40 overs format
 
Plus, this idea that somehow t20 cricket is important in spreading the game is dated and in my opinion, untrue, because the big event in t20 cricket is the IPL.

I would say T20INTL is important especially when starting out it is a format that can get people involved quickly, obviously it doesn't have the nuances that best represent cricket! But its more likely to get a country or associate more involved at the beginning! I would call it like a marketing trailer for the main show!

The t20s leagues i dont think they will help much in spreading out, other than say give a good pay to talents both local and foreign !


the big event in t20 cricket is the IPL. Now, having many friends of Indian origin, they are massive IPL fans, they watch it religiously but they don't watch cricket. They might tune in for the odd India game or the odd world t20 but they don't stay for the cricket. So, in reality, it's not drawing a crowd to cricket, it's drawing a crowd to a particular tournament. That is detrimental to the development of cricket fans.

Its just a case of people preferring one format over the other, in general indian fan ratings for world tournaments are always higher than IPL!

while the numbers dont fall between the league tournaments and international ones the viewer ship does change, the thing about these t20 leagues are they are more friendly to people who dont want to spend the whole day on the game, it has attracted woman, elderly, kids more than other formats! This is the same everywhere whether its BBL, natwest, CPL! There are a very core cricket purists that dont watch much of IPl or league cricket, there would be a core group that like the cricket in any format, and then a group that come for the ease of the format friendliness and a bit of local nature! The thing is knowing this format its pull will be able to carry them over to Intl t20 tournaments, again they are more likely to watch the teams with player they know rather than say an associate game! I would say they follow players more than tournaments!

I dont feel its detrimental as you are mostly getting eyes and cash who would have otherwise never actually stopped their life's for other formats of cricket!
 
we really have to think about expansion of this game into other countries such as IRELAND,scotland,netherland , ODI or test format can never be successful this way

just going to address this point a bit because I think that its incredibly ignorant about Associate cricket.

I dunno about the Netherlands; but in Ireland and Scotland Test cricket has the potential to be very successful - admittedly not as quickly as the shorter forms of the game would, but in the long run it could be more successful than either. Its not like Test cricket is the unknown here that it is in many other places, its covered more in the press than any other form of the game, mostly because that's what the English press care about and most Cricket fans in Ireland and Scotland generally follow English cricket to some extent. If you asked people to describe what their image of a cricket game was, it'd more resemble a Test Match than any limited overs form of the game. Also, here at least, League Cricket is mostly 50 over cricket; 20/20, at least where I am, is limited to Wednesday night games where the best players often can't play - its possibly different at a more elite level, but that's really only just developing in Scotland. If you were to abolish all that and replace in with T20 stuff; then you'd weaken Associate cricket because they'd all focus on the short form and that'd hurt the quality of four day Cricket making it less likely that smaller nations could compete at "Test" level.

From the perspective of the Associate cricket fan: I think that ODI cricket needs to be retained within a general restructuring of the way that Cricket works. There is an argument to the "too many useless bilateral ODIs!!!" thing; but firstly they wouldn't play them if it wasn't making someone money, and I'd also argue that the large amount of bilateral games with no real purpose is a wider problem across Cricket. The best bit about Associate cricket is that 99% of games are within the structure of the WCL, Intercontinental Cup or some other ICC or regional tournament - meaning that every game matters a lot because they could lead to you getting relegated a division or not getting promoted or something else: and because of the relatively lengthy timescales of the competition that can mean a significant amount: being less likely to get to the qualifying tournaments for the next World T20 or World Cup (although the latter has been gimped with the new 10 team format: it basically looks like its going to be the WCL Championship teams plus unless something shocking happens Zimbabwe and one of the West Indies, Bangladesh or Pakistan), losing support funding from the ICC or just general pride. You don't generally have that in the wider international game outside of the big Test series (the Ashes, India/Pakistan, possibly Australia/NZ recently because of both being very good recently, I can't think of any others at the moment) and major ICC tournaments - the closest that we had was the West Indies trying to win that ODI series to qualify for next years Champions Trophy but that was kinda ruined by Pakistan cancelling their ODI series against Zimbabwe, mostly because even if they'd won every game they'd have lost ranking points and frankly that's just dumb.

I'd personally like to see more regular regional tournaments that use the ODI format; you have the Asia Cup, you could organise something in Europe with England, Ireland, Scotland, the Netherlands and some of the next level Associate teams (Denmark and the Channel Islands), there are lots of African WCL teams, Australasia would be hard, but could also include PNG and Vanuatu, and the Americas would probably be the weakest division, but maybe a four-team thing with Canada, the USA (if they ever get their act together) and Bermuda might work. I'd argue that the triangular or quadrangular tournament is also something that would be good: you'd involve more teams, games that actually have a bit of meaning, and if you included Associate teams then you could give them the games that they really need without "hurting" the bigger nations. Add into this more open ICC competitions - a sixteen team ODI World Cup, a 20 or 24 team World T20 and perhaps something also for Test cricket - with open qualification systems (and also an abolition of the idea of "status" ;)) and I think that you begin to get something that would allow Cricket to flourish and expand without throwing away one of the more interesting forms of the game. That will take a lot of time to get to though; and until then I think that ditching ODIs entirely would do a lot more to harm the game than help it grow.

But cricket wont be able to make new fans with formats such as test or ODI.

I'm a Scottish fan of Cricket who would have been consider a "new fan" ten years ago - I got into the game not because of T20 stuff but because of the 2005 Ashes. Its inaccurate to suggest that T20 is the only way of growing the game in developing markets: while T20 will be the main form of the game that gets fan traction, at the grassroots level you're always better developing both T20 and a longer form of the game: most likely 50 over Cricket.
 
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