Steve Smith - The Most Over-rated Player in the World?

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Steve Smith: The Selection I Can't Grasp
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What I'm asking is quite simple, do you think that Steve Smith is the most over-rated player in the world at the minute? First the selection pundits touted him as the next Shane Warne, with the agreement of the man himself, (the great picker of talent that brought us Michael Beer and Xavier Doherty; combined test record: 4 wickets @ 104.5) and when he managed to score some runs he was suddenly the next Damien Martyn. Do you agree that Smith has the potential to be a world-class all rounder, or do you feel that he is just someone who has been lumbered with too much expectation at too tender an age?

Let us start with his bowling, the first facet of his game to hit the selection radar. He bowls flighted but erratic leg breaks that do not turn much. This means that most of his wickets will have to come from beating batsmen through the air rather than off the pitch. Unfortunately, I just don't see that happen often enough. I would say that Steve Smith's bowling looks of a similar stature to Cameron White's leggies five years ago, and we all know how completely that has dried up.

So, if his bowling dries up, what has he got to fall back on? His batting is effective in State cricket, but his loose technique and poor judgement outside his off stump have led to him only notching up two fifties in forty five international matches. When you take into account that of late he has been selected as a specialist for this skill alone, you can see why I don't think that he is justifying his continued selection.

Lets look solely at the numbers:
Tests | 5 matches | 259 runs @ 28.77 | 3 wickets @ 73.33
ODIs | 24 matches | 299 runs @ 23.00 | 21 wickets @ 33.23
T20Is | 16 matches | 124 runs @ 15.50 | 16 wickets @ 20.81

From his career stats, Smith looks a decent one-day bowler, but in his last ten matches he has notched up only five wickets at sixty, so we have also to ask whether it is the run of good performances or the run of poor performances that is the blip. The final thing I will mention is that his development has been massively hindered by Australia's indecision as to what use they intend to put him to. You cannot have a successful international career when from game to game you change from being a number four batsman to a first choice spinner, and a twenty-one year old who is still learning his place in the game needs that consistency.

So, in closing, I feel that he would be better replaced by someone like Steve O'Keefe as a pure spinner, Nathan Hauritz as a spinning all rounder or by Usman Khawaja as a top order batsmen. I simply can't see why he is still being selected, let alone why he is regarded as a poor man's Garry Sobers.
 

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led to him only notching up two fifties in forty five international matches.

You can't group all his international matches together. In ODIs and T20s it is very rare for a number 7 or 8 to have lots of 50s next to their name. James Hopes only made 3 in his 61 innings and at a similar stage in Watson's career he had only one fifty next to his name.

He hasn't come off as I would have hoped so now is a good time for him to go back down to domestic level and find the confidence again. Christian is the ideal replacement in ODIs/T20s and Khawaja in the Test.
 

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What I'm asking is quite simple, do you think that Steve Smith is the most over-rated player in the world at the minute?

I don't think he's overrated. SOME people like him much more than they should, yes I'll give you that, but that happens with any player. Those people talk about Smith like he's already a great player - but I just put that down to ignorance, not some general swell of overrated opinion. I certainly don't think Australian fans see him as the next Shane Warne - or even as a good current player. I think they just see a kid with potential.

And Aussie alluded to it in his reply, but the raw numbers for a #7 in an Australian ODI team are ALWAYS bad. Before Smith it was Hopes, then it was Watson, then it was White, then it was Symonds, then it was Shane Lee, then it was Steve Waugh or Simon O'Donnell. NONE of those guys did ANYTHING at #7 apart from a completely random half century here and there when there was a bad collapse and chipping in with the odd wicket with ball. Most of those guys bowled more than Smith does (except White), but that's because Shane Watson's ability means your #7 doesn't have to be able to bowl. I could play at #7 in the Aussie side and the team would still win :p (generally...)

You're right the media had fun at first with a blond leg spinner that Shane Warne 'endorsed'. Closer examination will tell you though that Shane Warne has 'endorsed' a LOT of Aussie spinners recently. He liked Dan Cullen, he liked Cameron White and he likes Michael Beer, and that's just off the top of my head. Warney just talks up spinners full stop.

Do you agree that Smith has the potential to be a world-class all rounder, or do you feel that he is just someone who has been lumbered with too much expectation at too tender an age?

Yeah I think he's got the potential. His bowling in this last series v Bangladesh has been pretty good IMHO. I think it's been a good move to get him playing ODIs and T20Is to give him a taste of international standard cricket (didn't like his Test selection though - I'll give you that). But I think keeping him in the short form cricket will ruin his development a bit. Now I'd like to see him mature his game a bit - concentrate on Shield cricket for a couple of years and really hone his skills, maybe play some County cricket too.

And you kinda didn't mention the 4 Shield centuries he scored in 09/10. Totally agree that Smith's raw, but that's still a lot more runs than say, Kieron Pollard's made.
 

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I don't think Smith is that over-rated...I do believe he is talented and as he gains more experience he will turn into a pretty good allrounder....the fact that the selectors are getting him to play ODI's and T20's and taking him off from tests is a very good move imo....I don't think he has enough experience to start playing tests just yet...
but yeah I agree he is kinda over-rated by a few people..but not that much
 

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Warnie likes the raw skills in the bowlers he talks up, not exactly their allround ability. Raw skill does not = success, especially for spinners. You need to know how to use the skill.

As for Smith, you forgot his brilliant fielding. Not overrated I think, but does a useful job. Extra hard hitting batsmen, a few overs of legspin, always good in the field. Fielding helps in every game, and he can chip in with some useful overs one day, score a quick cameo the next. Has potential, and Aus can afford to carry him around for a while in T20s and ODIs.
 

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Steve Smith's selection just baffles me. He was brought into the team as the next Warne. I still think he is a decent enough bowler but for some reason Ponting hardly bowled him in test cricket and promoted him up the order several times in al lforms of cricket. Smith is a decent bowler who can bat a bit. Against Bangladesh I saw him promoted up to 4...what??? He should concentrate on his bowling, trying to become a defensive, run containing bowler if he can because he will never be a serious wicket taking option. His batting will be useful but lower down the order at a position like 7 or 8. He is not an allrounder.
 

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errr have you seen his FC averages?
 

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If you exclude his test matches he averages 46.56 with the bat with 4 centuries and 6 half centuries from 18 matches (32 innings), while his bowling average is 46.18. They are way more indicative of a batting all-rounder rather than a bowler
 

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Batting him at 4 was to give him some batting time, and for the ODI format he is suited to batting higher up the order anyway. He might go alright at 6 but 7 is where you ideally want a big hitter.
 

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If you exclude his test matches he averages 46.56 with the bat with 4 centuries and 6 half centuries from 18 matches (32 innings), while his bowling average is 46.18. They are way more indicative of a batting all-rounder rather than a bowler

wow solid batting performer...so why was he hyped as a bowler? and why is he underperforming at international level? does this tell us about the quality of bowling in Aus domestic cricket?

any aussies out there should tell me a little more about whats goin on domestically. i dont know too much about the domestic scene down under. for someone to average above 40 in first class cricket and to look so hapless at int'national level is seriously confusing.
 

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He hasn't played too many domestic matches yet, and is still pretty young. I think he does have a future in the international game, but not yet.

His bowling was hyped up because of Warne
 

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any aussies out there should tell me a little more about whats goin on domestically. i dont know too much about the domestic scene down under. for someone to average above 40 in first class cricket and to look so hapless at int'national level is seriously confusing.
I think he's not so good off his pads. In the limited overs he's tended to shuffle about and attempt to paddle the ball around. The commentators lavish praise on his unorthodoxy, but I think he's just trying to cover up an area where he's not confident with premeditation and randomness. I think he'd be better to act like Ross Taylor, just lurk and back the cow shot; but that of course is very ballsy.

That said, I don't think he's been anywhere near as bad in Tests as nine out of ten English pundits would suggest. He's played only a couple of acceptable knocks, but in 5 reasonably tough Tests, let's be fair. It took Steve Waugh 26 to make a hundred. No he's not pretty, but neither was ol' Tugga. Ugly batsmen are people too.
 

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I think he's not so good off his pads. In the limited overs he's tended to shuffle about and attempt to paddle the ball around. The commentators lavish praise on his unorthodoxy, but I think he's just trying to cover up an area where he's not confident with premeditation and randomness. I think he'd be better to act like Ross Taylor, just lurk and back the cow shot; but that of course is very ballsy.

That said, I don't think he's been anywhere near as bad in Tests as nine out of ten English pundits would suggest. He's played only a couple of acceptable knocks, but in 5 reasonably tough Tests, let's be fair. It took Steve Waugh 26 to make a hundred. No he's not pretty, but neither was ol' Tugga. Ugly batsmen are people too.

hahaha true say. and since i now know his battin gcredentials in australian cricket id give him a few more chances in the ODI team but he shouldnt be anywhere near the test side.
 

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there are many over rated players around, but its too early for steve. Because he is playing for AUS, I don’t think he would end up playing for long if he doesn’t perform day to day
 

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