IPL What do you think now? PCB to lodge complaint with ICC?

[Dare]

Basically what Shah Rukh is saying is that the Pakistan players would have been picked if there was no issue with them coming. The issue is obviously with them coming as given the political situation, franchise owners wouldn't be sure that at the time of the tournament, visas would be issued. "Yes maybe the way it was done was wrong..." -- this quote itself demonstrates that he didn't like the way the Pakistan players were ignored, but that it happened because franchise owners had to protect their investment.

To summarize, the "issue" isn't that franchise owners were told not to pick Pakistan players, but that it didn't make sense to pick a Pakistani player and not have him come, hence missing out a pick on another player, who was more likely to be a part of the tournament.

Well why dont we ask Khan and the rest of the IPL owners and what not to look into the future and tell us what natural disaster will happen so that we can get people to safety before anything actually happens.

Glad to see that crystal balls are available to most in India.

 

[icyman]

Well I dont understand why is the BCCI being blamed for this.
First .its up to the franchisees to decide on whom to spend their money. The BCCI cannot ask the franchisees to either choose a particular one or to not to choose anyone.

This is all becoming a huge joke. The team owners coming out against the IPl.
What is worse is the Royals CEO has sought to blame the IPL. Well, then why didn't RR pick any Pak player ?

 

[sohum]

Well why dont we ask Khan and the rest of the IPL owners and what not to look into the future and tell us what natural disaster will happen so that we can get people to safety before anything actually happens.

Glad to see that crystal balls are available to most in India.

Nice try at sarcasm, but a silly analogy.

Only a fool would wager on India and Pakistan's relationship to improve quickly enough for Pakistan players to be available by the IPL. Remember the last time we were not on good terms (sometime during that Kargil war, I suppose) it took a few years before India and Pakistan resumed bilateral ties.

By comparison, a natural disaster isn't really based on politics.

A better comparison would be comparing an embargoed good. If Mars bars could not be imported into India and you owned a candy shop, would you pay an exporter money today for a 2-year deal, not knowing whether you could import the product during that agreement? Would be an extremely stupid business decision.

 

[ballers101]

You know what's kind of ironic, had this been the Australians in the same situation where the IPL did not want Australians on their team. This would have been a much bigger issue and undoubtly I think the ICC would get involved in that case, but it is kind of funny, I have no respect for T20 whatsoever however if Pakistan is the best 20/20 team in the world should they be apart of the IPL. Like I said before its politics not business, and honestly the Pakistan players shouldn't care. It is clear that Pakistan and India have had terrible relationships in the past year or so really ever since the Mumbai Attacks they have become more than just cricket rivals.

 

[icyman]

No,its not about any country. As i mentioned before the world champs will command a premium which no sane franchisee would shell out only for one year.

Had it been any other country ,the ICC still wouldnt have been involved. What would you say to ECB's players not playing in the first edition of the IPL. I dont remember any such complaint being lodged by England then.

 

[sohum]

You know what's kind of ironic, had this been the Australians in the same situation where the IPL did not want Australians on their team. This would have been a much bigger issue and undoubtly I think the ICC would get involved in that case, but it is kind of funny, I have no respect for T20 whatsoever however if Pakistan is the best 20/20 team in the world should they be apart of the IPL. Like I said before its politics not business, and honestly the Pakistan players shouldn't care. It is clear that Pakistan and India have had terrible relationships in the past year or so really ever since the Mumbai Attacks they have become more than just cricket rivals.

You fail to understand the impact that politics has on this business decision... and have in fact provided no evidence contrary to my argument. It's pretty simple. If there is a 10% probability of something great happening versus a 90% chance of something okay happening, most people would go with the higher probability outcome. In fact, the players that were picked up are no mugs with the bat. Yes, the reason that the franchises didn't pick Pakistani players is because of the India-Pakistan relationship at the moment. However, these franchises are money-making organizations, not governments or representations of state. If Pakistan players playing means they can sell their merch in Pakistan, they would agree with that. But there's no point jumping into a contract with a Pakistan player if they aren't going to end up getting a visa.

 

[ballers101]

You fail to understand the impact that politics has on this business decision... and have in fact provided no evidence contrary to my argument. It's pretty simple. If there is a 10% probability of something great happening versus a 90% chance of something okay happening, most people would go with the higher probability outcome. In fact, the players that were picked up are no mugs with the bat. Yes, the reason that the franchises didn't pick Pakistani players is because of the India-Pakistan relationship at the moment. However, these franchises are money-making organizations, not governments or representations of state. If Pakistan players playing means they can sell their merch in Pakistan, they would agree with that. But there's no point jumping into a contract with a Pakistan player if they aren't going to end up getting a visa.

I wasn't trying to argue with you I was just stating a point that this decision was more a POLITCAL decision rather a BUSINESS decision. And the English not playing was because the England did not want their stars like Peterson to play in the IPL just like they might not play in this IPL as well. As I was saying, now if Afridi, Umar Akmal, Asif, Aamer, Gul and any other big name 20/20 players in Pakistan were in the IPL I think they would make MORE money generally. I mean think about, Pakistan is the best 20/20 team so they have the best players. If you take bring those players you will generally make more money because they are better and more popular and if you take them most likely the same will happen.

All I am trying to say is that, there is absolutely no Business involved this was 100% a Political decision. Like if Afridi is the most popular 20/20 player in the world and if he isn't apart of the IPL then they are going to lose a lot of money and thats for a fact. Even if he only hit one six a game the amount of people who come just to watch him is astounding, you take him away you lose money end of story.

 

[rahuldravidfan]

Bhaijaan, I understand your feelings but why would any sane businessman pay millions for a ONE YEAR CONTRACT just to make some fans in that country happy? Most ppl here are still unhappy with your country's hostile approach towards us and many feel it is better that they don't come.

And its their franchise, they can do whatever they want to with it.

If you take bring those players you will generally make more money because they are better and more popular and if you take them most likely the same will happen.

All I am trying to say is that, there is absolutely no Business involved this was 100% a Political decision. Like if Afridi is the most popular 20/20 player in the world and if he isn't apart of the IPL then they are going to lose a lot of money and thats for a fact. Even if he only hit one six a game the amount of people who come just to watch him is astounding, you take him away you lose money end of story.

You think they haven't done the math? Given that NONE of the teams picked them up, means something that is for everyone to see

 

[Highlander999]

Both countries need to grow up. It's like England and Scotland, only difference was we stopped doing this 200+ years ago.

End of the day it is the 21st century, both countries need to grow up, put aside such petty disputes with all this politics and realise that they are both very similar in how they live their lives. It's like watching a couple of school kids in a playground with Pakistan and India

 

[icyman]

I wasn't trying to argue with you I was just stating a point that this decision was more a POLITCAL decision rather a BUSINESS decision. And the English not playing was because the England did not want their stars like Peterson to play in the IPL just like they might not play in this IPL as well. As I was saying, now if Afridi, Umar Akmal, Asif, Aamer, Gul and any other big name 20/20 players in Pakistan were in the IPL I think they would make MORE money generally. I mean think about, Pakistan is the best 20/20 team so they have the best players. If you take bring those players you will generally make more money because they are better and more popular and if you take them most likely the same will happen.

All I am trying to say is that, there is absolutely no Business involved this was 100% a Political decision. Like if Afridi is the most popular 20/20 player in the world and if he isn't apart of the IPL then they are going to lose a lot of money and thats for a fact. Even if he only hit one six a game the amount of people who come just to watch him is astounding, you take him away you lose money end of story.

One six should win the match. I still dont see how it is a political decision. If the Govt is going to bar a franchisee from bidding for a player,then its sheer bullcrap.
Talk about popularity, each franchisee is entitled to play only 4 foreign players in their XI. I am not sure whether the popularity of an out of form Tendulkar would fall caase of Afridi's induction into his side.
Agreed,if this was a Champions League tournament to be held in Pakistan, then yes. But, in India, no ways. Even Herschelle Gibbs who smashed 6 sixes of van Bunge was not perceived int that way by our crowds.

Both countries need to grow up. It's like England and Scotland, only difference was we stopped doing this 200+ years ago.

Wasn't England the root cause of this problem of two nations ?

 

[sohum]

I mean think about, Pakistan is the best 20/20 team so they have the best players.

This is not true. I don't think the best Twenty20 players are all in South Africa. For example, I think Brad Hodge is better than anyone in the Pakistani line-up. T20 is too random a game for the "best team" moniker to have any meaning. I mean India won the tournament in 2007 but were eliminated early in 2009. That just shows the fickle nature of the tag.

If you take bring those players you will generally make more money because they are better and more popular and if you take them most likely the same will happen.

Generally... as in ignoring all context. You cannot make money if they aren't playing. And they probably won't be playing because they will likely not get visas. How hard is this to understand? I have tried to explain it so many ways but no one seems to get it. If I had the choice to get Wayne Parnell, who will most probably be available for the IPL, or Umar Gul, who'll probably get his visa denied, any intelligent businessman would go with Parnell.

All I am trying to say is that, there is absolutely no Business involved this was 100% a Political decision.

That's where you're wrong. The root cause is political because of the India-Pakistan issue. But franchise owners have already come out and said that they wish that Pakistan players could've been selected. The reason they aren't is because no one wants to make an investment that fails to get a visa. That's a business decision, no matter how you spin it. Franchises aren't rejecting the players because they are Pakistani and they hate Pakistanis. They're rejecting them because they are Pakistani and they'll probably get denied Indian visas.

Like if Afridi is the most popular 20/20 player in the world and if he isn't apart of the IPL then they are going to lose a lot of money and thats for a fact. Even if he only hit one six a game the amount of people who come just to watch him is astounding, you take him away you lose money end of story.

The tournament is being held in India. I doubt Afridi would fill up a stadium in India any more than Sachin Tendulkar would. In fact, the stadiums are probably going to be stuffed to begin with--in ODI and T20 cricket, you won't see an empty seat in India.

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End of the day it is the 21st century, both countries need to grow up, put aside such petty disputes with all this politics and realise that they are both very similar in how they live their lives. It's like watching a couple of school kids in a playground with Pakistan and India

When are we all moving to Utopia?

 

[SciD]

Tbh Afridi was dropped from DC first XI when he played in first IPL as well.

And whats more funny is members here do not even care about 20-20 and still threads related top it are the biggest in post count, view count and longevity.

 

[Highlander999]

Wasn't England the root cause of this problem of two nations ?

Not really, please don't believe Braveheart as an accurate historical account.

When are we all moving to Utopia?

When countries and the people residing in those countries become more responsible for their actions instead of blaming other people.

 

[Dare]

Speaking of risks, its a bigger risk for KKR to sign Bond who is injured at the moment and can get injured at any time then signing Gul for way less money.

 

[tech.007]

Speaking of risks, its a bigger risk for KKR to sign Bond who is injured at the moment and can get injured at any time then signing Gul for way less money.

you cant compare gul and bond.bond is the top kiwi pacer,gul is unpredictable.
if you had money you will always go for the best.