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In favor of Chahal and Kuldeep especially the latter bowled really well despite the wet outside outfield condition which does make it difficult for the spinners to grip the ball.
 

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Well played SA. I think it is likely they would've won if there was no rain. Bowled superbly to keep India to only 289 when 340-350 was probable if things went bad for SA. If at least 35-40 runs more were added to India's total, likely SA would've gone down. That 72 run stand between Klassen and Miller in about 6-7 overs just robbed India's momentum after getting AB out. Hopefully, the Indians can bounce back from this and take the series.
 

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Exceptionally from SA especially with an unfairly high score for them to chase.

What a great game of cricket!!1
How was the unfair? India were going at a run a ball at 34th over with Kohli and Dhawan in full flow before the first interruption. With so many interruptions I do not think that there can be a set total. It was not unfair for them to chase.
 

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Well played SA. I think it is likely they would've won if there was no rain. Bowled superbly to keep India to only 289 when 340-350 was probable if things went bad for SA. If at least 35-40 runs more were added to India's total, likely SA would've gone down. That 72 run stand between Klassen and Miller in about 6-7 overs just robbed India's momentum after getting AB out. Hopefully, the Indians can bounce back from this and take the series.

Once Kohli goes it's all south. I have been hammering about this ever since Dhoni relinquished the captaincy and every time I watch India play I can't help but feel like ramming my head against the wall.

Let's first talk about what's right-

1) We have two good fast bowlers who can bowl at the top and at the death. Now with Bhuvi evolving, even a spell in the middle overs.

2) Our middle overs bowling is sorted with the two wristies. They'll pick W and generally in the process save runs.

3) Our fielding is strong and one of the best in the world.

4) Our openers are solid and the thought of pushing Sharma to 4 has now sailed with the world cup looming. I think we have too few games to see if he can bat at 4 and have Rahane open with Dhawan. So, openers are sorted.

5) We have the best batsman in the world for the format.

6) We're as good as it gets behind the stumps. Dhoni's experience helps the two young spinners in catch 22 situations although Chahal was spooked beyond recovery after AB took it to him.

Now, from what I've mentioned, we have 3 batters, a keeper and 4 bowlers who should be in the starting XI of any logical cricket watcher. Let's now talk about the options for the remaining 3 spots.

1) I think Hardik Pandya walks in for me at 7. I think his bowling is improving and he should just be told that he's our man at the slog. He has some ODI's and T20's to put his role to the test but at this point I don't really think we have very many options. I personally feel he's a cricketer for the big occasion and if the management had used him well, by now he would be settled at 7. If I were Shastri and I sincerely thank god I am not, I would have Pandya pick Dhoni's brain 365, 24*7. By now, he should have already become "the" finisher of world cricket. What's frustrating is that the management sees him in roles some older legs can fulfil with more consistency. Make no mistake, Pandya also has the temperament to finish games and I honestly don't think he's any less a cricketer than a young MSD. It's all about how much he can learn from the great man and apply it in his game.

2) Now, in the last two to three years, every time India has found itself in a pickle after Kohli's dismissal or a collapse one man has made a mini rescue, added some respectability or even won games from unusual situations. Who's that bloke? More than 300 games, an excellent cricket brain and a man as fit as any. If MS Dhoni has to flourish as a keeper batsman then he has to bat at 4. He will not only quench Kohli's thirst to run hard in the middle overs but also act as an insurance policy for the hitters to come. MS Dhoni is an absolute no brainer at 4 and if he can suss out and stay till the end, he's not too shy of hammering a few himself. India must stop expecting him to finish games because while he has the mind for the job, his body has simply past that high octane patch. We've had this manhunt for 3 years with a poster in bold with the caption 'no.4 needed' but we've missed the best option in the country right in front of our eyes.

3) So, (Sharma, Dhawan, Kohli and Dhoni) make 1-4. My all rounder and finisher at 7 and my four W taking bowlers from (8-11). What would India have given to say have a bowling all rounder in form like Irfan Pathan? That would enable Pandya to bat 6 and him to bat at 7. But, we don't have that luxury. We need to figure who can bat at 5 and 6? I think most people would say Pandya 10 overs? That's a big ask. In India, we always manufacture batters who can bowl off spin. You could pick one out from every cricketing house. I think it's important though that we don't select someone that bowls 4-5 overs but isn't my best batting option. I think Kedar Jadhav fits that bill. He seems to be more in the side for his bowling and I think that's absolutely manic. In a normal scenario, it would be good to look at someone young (20-25) who can hit a long ball and give me some overs but with the ICC event so close I think it's just too risky. I think time has well and truly come to go back to Suresh Raina. He's just smacked 4 centuries, he's still only 30 (younger than Jadhav), an outstanding fielder and a very very handy off spinner. Even if and I don't believe there's any case for Jadhav playing ahead of Raina, but even if there is a case for that, Raina has the experience of playing in big moment ICC tournaments. His innings in the QF and SF of the WC of 2011 went under the radar but they were absolute gold in the context. In my mind, he is the only short term fix. It also means that we're not solely dependent on Pandya to provide the lusty blows. This will give him some relief as well on days when he can't cash in.

4) That leaves us with the one spot remaining for the last batsman. Whether it's at 5 or at 6, I think Manish Pandey has been really hardly dealt with. He made a cracking hundred in Sydney against AUS in a pressure situation and just hasn't been given a consistent enough run. He is also a fielder as good as any. I think unlike Iyer and Jadhav, he can practically bat anywhere. Personally, he's a no brainer for me.

So, my XI would look like this-

R Sharma
Dhawan
Kohli
Dhoni
Pandey
Raina
Pandya
B Kumar
K Yadav
Chahal
Bumrah

Reserves
D Karthik
Shami
U Yadav
Jadeja
Rahane
 
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The big long sixes to Chahal gave me the feeling how luck was playing with him to be look a good bowler in first three ODIs.
 

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Get Manish Pandey in middle order !
I always felt that Pandey was always unlucky not to get enough chances. He is ever so capable of playing great knocks in limited overs cricket, but honestly, India are having way too many options for #4. Watching him in the IPL, he seems exactly the batsman India needs: Playing briskly in the middle order and to put the team in a good position before the slog overs. In the last few months, Jadhav, Pandya, Pandey, Rahane, Karthik, Yuvraj, Iyer and many more have been placed in that position. In that case, Dhoni sounds like the right batsman to bat in that spot. He's got runs in that spot and the way he plays nowdays suits him playing there. He has that great ability to just knock the ball around and rotate the strike. I would prefer Pandey at 5, he is well suited in that spot as I mentioned his role in the middle order. Rahane is not a long term #4, he lacks the ability that Dhoni and Pandey being to the table.
 

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Once Kohli goes it's all south. I have been hammering about this ever since Dhoni relinquished the captaincy and every time I watch India play I can't help but feel like ramming my head against the wall.

Let's first talk about what's right-

1) We have two good fast bowlers who can bowl at the top and at the death. Now with Bhuvi evolving, even a spell in the middle overs.

2) Our middle overs bowling is sorted with the two wristies. They'll pick W and generally in the process save runs.

3) Our fielding is strong and one of the best in the world.

4) Our openers are solid and the thought of pushing Sharma to 4 has now sailed with the world cup looming. I think we have too few games to see if he can bat at 4 and have Rahane open with Dhawan. So, openers are sorted.

5) We have the best batsman in the world for the format.

6) We're as good as it gets behind the stumps. Dhoni's experience helps the two young spinners in catch 22 situations although Chahal was spooked beyond recovery after AB took it to him.

Now, from what I've mentioned, we have 3 batters, a keeper and 4 bowlers who should be in the starting XI of any logical cricket watcher. Let's now talk about the options for the remaining 3 spots.

1) I think Hardik Pandya walks in for me at 7. I think his bowling is improving and he should just be told that he's our man at the slog. He has some ODI's and T20's to put his role to the test but at this point I don't really think we have very many options. I personally feel he's a cricketer for the big occasion and if the management had used him well, by now he would be settled at 7. If I were Shastri and I sincerely thank god I am not, I would have Pandya pick Dhoni's brain 365, 24*7. By now, he should have already become "the" finisher of world cricket. What's frustrating is that the management sees him in roles some older legs can fulfil with more consistency. Make no mistake, Pandya also has the temperament to finish games and I honestly don't think he's any less a cricketer than a young MSD. It's all about how much he can learn from the great man and apply it in his game.

2) Now, in the last two to three years, every time India has found itself in a pickle after Kohli's dismissal or a collapse one man has made a mini rescue, added some respectability or even won games from unusual situations. Who's that bloke? More than 300 games, an excellent cricket brain and a man as fit as any. If MS Dhoni has to flourish as a keeper batsman then he has to bat at 4. He will not only quench Kohli's thirst to run hard in the middle overs but also act as an insurance policy for the hitters to come. MS Dhoni is an absolute no brainer at 4 and if he can suss out and stay till the end, he's not too shy of hammering a few himself. India must stop expecting him to finish games because while he has the mind for the job, his body has simply past that high octane patch. We've had this manhunt for 3 years with a poster in bold with the caption 'no.4 needed' but we've missed the best option in the country right in front of our eyes.

3) So, (Sharma, Dhawan, Kohli and Dhoni) make 1-4. My all rounder and finisher at 7 and my four W taking bowlers from (8-11). What would India have given to say have a bowling all rounder in form like Irfan Pathan? That would enable Pandya to bat 6 and him to bat at 7. But, we don't have that luxury. We need to figure who can bat at 5 and 6? I think most people would say Pandya 10 overs? That's a big ask. In India, we always manufacture batters who can bowl off spin. You could pick one out from every cricketing house. I think it's important though that we don't select someone that bowls 4-5 overs but isn't my best batting option. I think Kedar Jadhav fits that bill. He seems to be more in the side for his bowling and I think that's absolutely manic. In a normal scenario, it would be good to look at someone young (20-25) who can hit a long ball and give me some overs but with the ICC event so close I think it's just too risky. I think time has well and truly come to go back to Suresh Raina. He's just smacked 4 centuries, he's still only 30 (younger than Jadhav), an outstanding fielder and a very very handy off spinner. Even if and I don't believe there's any case for Jadhav playing ahead of Raina, but even if there is a case for that, Raina has the experience of playing in big moment ICC tournaments. His innings in the QF and SF of the WC of 2011 went under the radar but they were absolute gold in the context. In my mind, he is the only short term fix. It also means that we're not solely dependent on Pandya to provide the lusty blows. This will give him some relief as well on days when he can't cash in.

4) That leaves us with the one spot remaining for the last batsman. Whether it's at 5 or at 6, I think Manish Pandey has been really hardly dealt with. He made a cracking hundred in Sydney against AUS in a pressure situation and just hasn't been given a consistent enough run. He is also a fielder as good as any. I think unlike Iyer and Jadhav, he can practically bat anywhere. Personally, he's a no brainer for me.

So, my XI would look like this-

R Sharma
Dhawan
Kohli
Dhoni
Pandey
Raina
Pandya
B Kumar
K Yadav
Chahal
Bumrah

Reserves
D Karthik
Shami
U Yadav
Jadeja
Rahane

Fantastic! You have it pretty nailed down there. All bases covered. Raina and Pandey handling the lower order hitting along with Pandya. India have an ideal No. 4 in Dhoni if they need him early. If India's top order bat really well and the No. 4 has to come in only at the 35th over or so, Dhoni can be held back and Pandey/Raina/Pandya can all be sent in to bash it up. But this Rahane experiment at No. 4 should end. I think maybe Dhoni himself needs to have a chat with Kohli-Shastri and the management and somehow explain this to them. If Dhoni really understands where he is with his batting at the moment, he should be able to say this.

Good that we lost this game! Didn't understand why Kohli chose to bat first. Didn't he know about the impending weather? I am sure weather reports would've predicted thunderstorms and rain for the day. And in a rain interrupted ODI, it almost always favors the team batting second. And it's now clear with Kohli that his strategy/approach is going to look amazing on the good days and extremely awful on the bad days. It's basically going to be "which side of the bed he and his team wakes up on". It might make for an entertaining watch from an audience perspective, but considering how mercurial the Indian fans are, expect quite a bit of heartbreaks and team bashing in the upcoming times while Kohli is the captain,
 

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The big long sixes to Chahal gave me the feeling how luck was playing with him to be look a good bowler in first three ODIs.
Wow that was harsh on him. Every bowler has a bad day in field and it was his bad day but to say the first three ODI's was just luck you sir have no idea what cricket as a sport is. BTW did you come in after all three matches to atleast say well bowl Kuldeep and Chahal? I know you have posted 4 times during the ongoing series but have not seen one praise towards to wrist spinners. I am just saying this or comparing because you jump your gun very fast. Its just not about India, its about all the thread you post in, even in Pakistan cricket section.[DOUBLEPOST=1518306636][/DOUBLEPOST]
Wow!

India suffer finally! Defeated!
Must be dying to write this weren't you? Well Chahal gave you this happy moment so enjoy while it lasts ;)
 

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Andile Phehlukwayo will get an IPL contract after this match.
Hardik Pandya need to build innings,or bring Shivam Mavi.:rolleyes
 

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Chahal + Kuldeep - 1st ODI + 2nd ODI + 3rd ODI = 4th ODI (Economy)
 

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