England's tour of India - 2021

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I had heard that the BCCI had been moving away from traditional Indian spinning wickets. Is this correct. England has been vulnerable in past against quality spin bowling so will the India brains trust go with dust bowls to assist Ash and Jadeja or grassy tracks to suit their fine pace attack?
 
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Apparently Bairstow will be joining the squad after the first test match.
Has Bairstow been taking technical lessons as last time I saw him against us at home he had a shocker series. It was evident he was losing his wicket due to his playing too far away from his body as so many batsmen do who perhaps play more white ball cricket than red ball. I know there are several Australian players that continue doing this. I remain baffled as to how they reached FC level to be honest.
 

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The openers, I'm not sure about. Sibley and Crawley have shown themselves to be completely incompetent against spin,
They were good against us in the Ashes but playing pace and playing spin are worlds apart. So you say as they are incompetent against spin that they are vulnerable and should not be chosen on turning pitches. What do the ECB think as they picked them in the touring squad? I have often maintained that a batman's spin play ability needs to be considered first before selection when touring the sub continent.
 
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I had heard that the BCCI had been moving away from traditional Indian spinning wickets. Is this correct. England has been vulnerable in past against quality spin bowling so will the India brains trust go with dust bowls to assist Ash and Jadeja or grassy tracks to suit their fine pace attack? Is Ishant back from injury?
 

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I had heard that the BCCI had been moving away from traditional Indian spinning wickets. Is this correct. England has been vulnerable in past against quality spin bowling so will the India brains trust go with dust bowls to assist Ash and Jadeja or grassy tracks to suit their fine pace attack?
I have no idea if this is true, honestly, it probably isn't true and might just be a rumour since our spinners have been key to our victories in the past and letting go of a tried and tested method against a good English side isn't really the time.

As far as I know, India still goes with 3 spinners more often than not, especially against non-subcontinent teams.
I do see a failure waiting to happen if India perseveres with Pant at #6.. He was very lucky against us. Can be reckless and play away from his body. India really needs a specialist, a solid technician in this spot in my view.

I don't know about that, Pant's domestic record in India is pretty stellar with an average of 49.7 at a strike rate of 83, so if he's got going in Australia he might use that momentum to keep going on Indian pitches.

The real problem with Pant, which has to be said clearly, is that he is quite a drop in terms of keeping quality, especially with the standards set by Dhoni.
 

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I do see a failure waiting to happen if India perseveres with Pant at #6.. He was very lucky against us. Can be reckless and play away from his body. India really needs a specialist, a solid technician in this spot in my view.
Nah! You guys were just mediocre! He wasnt lucky, he played two sensational innings against a pretty mediocre side. One inning is luck, two innings is not. He had one drop catch in the Sydney test but in Brisbane, he was really good, calm and patient. India’s top 5 are pretty solid in Gill, Sharma, Puji, Kohli and Rahane. Need someone different like Pant who is a game changer.
 

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I do see a failure waiting to happen if India perseveres with Pant at #6.. He was very lucky against us. Can be reckless and play away from his body. India really needs a specialist, a solid technician in this spot in my view.
Think you're pretty far from the mark on this take.

The dude's 23 years old with stats like these:
Tests - 1,088 runs @ 43.52 (SR: 68.90, 2 centuries, best 159*) in 16 matches
Other FC - 1,852 runs @ 56.12 (SR: 76.97, 5 centuries, best 308) in 24 matches

That's a guy you'd pick as a specialist top-six batsman irrespective of if they keep or bowl or anything. Which is something that in the future is well worth considering
 

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Think you're pretty far from the mark on this take.

The dude's 23 years old with stats like these:
Tests - 1,088 runs @ 43.52 (SR: 68.90, 2 centuries, best 159*) in 16 matches
Other FC - 1,852 runs @ 56.12 (SR: 76.97, 5 centuries, best 308) in 24 matches

That's a guy you'd pick as a specialist top-six batsman irrespective of if they keep or bowl or anything. Which is something that in the future is well worth considering
I think his 160 @27 in England and his 60 @16 in New Zealand, both places where the ball moves, accentuates my point. Your Mr Pant is a flat track bully.
 

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That's a guy you'd pick as a specialist top-six batsman irrespective of if they keep or bowl or anything.

India will obviously but Australia prefers a specialist #6. Meaning someone who has a solid technique with a solid first class background.. Pant does not have a solid technique. Not even close. Obviously over his short FC career he has made merry on typical Indian pitches.

I want someone to answer my other posts.
 
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I think his 160 @27 in England and his 60 @16 in New Zealand, both places where the ball moves, accentuates my point. Your Mr Pant is a flat track bully.
While I agree that luck played a part in Australia (had Paine not missed those chances off Pant in the 3rd and 4th Test, he would probably have been done and dusted at least for a season), but terming him a FTB is a bit unfair. He had a stellar series during his last visit to Australia too (are you saying that the Australian wickets are not bowler friendly). So I would wait for him to make future appearances in England and NZ before tagging him with a label as I assume those stats are for his first visit to the aforementioned countries.
 

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You guys were just mediocre! He wasnt lucky,
Yes two of our attack were mediocre.. Starc and Lyon. We needed someone like Ash to bowl for us on the last day at Sydney and Brisbane. Our fourth seamer ws still feeling his way after a long injury layoff. Not really the series for CA to debut him imo.
I recall Pant was grassed on no fewer than three occasions in one of his innings.. and at least once in his second. Also due to lame captaincy he shud've been gone for 30 ish if Paine had used a second slip which he certainly shud've given the state of the game. So Pant did ride his luck.. big time. Refresh my memory. Why was Saha jettisoned for Pant? Very fortuitous that as it turned out.
 
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but terming him a FTB is a bit unfair.
I am not trying to antagonize you guys. I will be supporting India against Australia's old enemy.. But I rate Pant's technique no better than Aaron Finch or Jason Roy, Ben Stokes or .. dare I say Yuvraj Singh. All in my view are white ball FTBs.. I also reckon Warner is too. Are Rohit and Sehwag?
 
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But I rate Pant's technique no better than Aaron Finch or Jason Roy, Ben Stokes or
I don't think anyone here would claim that Pant bats with textbook technique. Infact, we have talked about how ugly he looks with his slog shots. All we agree on is that he is an impact player who can turn the match on its head. That we have no doubt about.
 

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All we agree on is that he is an impact player who can turn the match on its head. That we have no doubt about.
Yes he is an impact player.. the X factor if you will. Can turn a match on its head unless he fails early.. and that is on the cards I'd imagine more often than not on a deck that is doing something.. I hope he comes off against Australia's old enemy. I really do.
 

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