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I'm very surprised they didn't do a farewell series of them (like Sachin with WI)—especially with a Bangladesh series in August and a West Indies one in October-ish. It's sad that he finished just 700/800 runs off 10,000.

Rohit Sharma was playing Test on borrowed time - never rated him in Test cricket, unlike in ODI.
What if I say that a certain influential folks didn't want him to achieve that milestone. So they made sure the PR against him is so strong during Aus series that BCCI had to intervene and say "Hey, we don't want you guys anymore". This is not the only rough patch he had in his career but the kind of treatment he got is not something he deserves. As you said, he could've atleast got a farewell match. They could've said, "Hey, we are looking at younger players in test squad considering the future of Indian Cricket. If you can stick around for a few more games, groom some players. It'd be great. We also offer you a farewell match in your home ground." See? Not bad right? A respectable sendoff.

Mark my words, Indian Team will dearly miss Kohli.
 
What if I say that a certain influential folks didn't want him to achieve that milestone. So they made sure the PR against him is so strong during Aus series that BCCI had to intervene and say "Hey, we don't want you guys anymore". This is not the only rough patch he had in his career but the kind of treatment he got is not something he deserves. As you said, he could've atleast got a farewell match. They could've said, "Hey, we are looking at younger players in test squad considering the future of Indian Cricket. If you can stick around for a few more games, groom some players. It'd be great. We also offer you a farewell match in your home ground." See? Not bad right? A respectable sendoff.

Mark my words, Indian Team will dearly miss Kohli.
Maybe you’re right. You probably know a lot more about the intricacies of Indian cricket. The major downside will be losing his presence on the ground for India (and Rohit is a solid captain)

It would be a slap in those influential people if India failed/struggled in the upcoming England Test series. He doesn’t seem like an Afridi-esque player to keep making stupid comebacks. Better to do an Dhoni and just don the RCB fit and play to 40. Although with the best spinner England have off Bashir - I don’t see this happening.
 
I have a different view point here. I am not sure how exactly the decision was relayed to Virat and Rohit, but it was apparent that both of them were way past their prime in Test cricket. A lot of people only consider the Australia tour here. What we need to look at also, is the New Zealand home series where we were whitewashed. The seniors ought to have stood up and performed then. Unfortunately, the two weren't able to. The BCCI is right in adopting the next best player policy here- 8 Tests are good enough time for anyone. No matter their stature. I'd implore all Indians to look at the actual returns from Virat and Rohit last year, before coming up with - Ohh this will be difficult and all!

That said, I do not deny that the next year would be difficult for the Test team- however, one cannot expect players to be around forever. This is where we need to tap into our reserves- the 'A' tours, U-19s, Ranji have shown that we have a decent pipeline. Now, whether this works for us in the future or not, is anyone's guess.

What if I say that a certain influential folks didn't want him to achieve that milestone. So they made sure the PR against him is so strong during Aus series that BCCI had to intervene and say "Hey, we don't want you guys anymore". This is not the only rough patch he had in his career but the kind of treatment he got is not something he deserves. As you said, he could've atleast got a farewell match. They could've said, "Hey, we are looking at younger players in test squad considering the future of Indian Cricket. If you can stick around for a few more games, groom some players. It'd be great. We also offer you a farewell match in your home ground." See? Not bad right? A respectable sendoff.

Mark my words, Indian Team will dearly miss Kohli.

You know what, the more you look at Kohli's figure, the more you think that his stats are just normal. He isnt in the 10K club. I had posted in the retirements thread about Sanga, Younis Khan, Mahela having scored more than VK. Heck, even, Matthews, who retired recently has a tally just short of VK.

All Aggression doesn't necessarily make a great player!

Now, you talk of farewell games- I did make a mention of it in one of my posts, but the real question is- WHY? He didnt give a farewell to the likes of Gambhir, Yuvraj, Harbhajan,Dhawan, Pujara and Rahane. So, why should he(or they) get one?

Maybe you’re right. You probably know a lot more about the intricacies of Indian cricket. The major downside will be losing his presence on the ground for India (and Rohit is a solid captain)

It would be a slap in those influential people if India failed/struggled in the upcoming England Test series. He doesn’t seem like an Afridi-esque player to keep making stupid comebacks. Better to do an Dhoni and just don the RCB fit and play to 40. Although with the best spinner England have off Bashir - I don’t see this happening.

India will struggle, as does every team during transition. It is expected and it will lead to some amount of churning. I believe that is a gamble that Agarkar is willing to take here. Realistically, his presence will be the main thing that we will lose, but there are others who have the opportunity to step up.
 
This is where we need to tap into our reserves- the 'A' tours, U-19s, Ranji have shown that we have a decent pipeline. Now, whether this works for us in the future or not, is anyone's guess.
Cap 317: Vaibhav Suryavanshi!
 
I mean, you will have a rolling stock of cricketers over a couple of years. Prior to the CWC 2011, we had a variety of bowlers that were tried out. Some made it, others didn't!

Suryanwashi may or may not make it big, but he certainly is among the ones who might be given a chance. Let's see what happens.
 
I mean, you will have a rolling stock of cricketers over a couple of years. Prior to the CWC 2011, we had a variety of bowlers that were tried out. Some made it, others didn't!

Suryanwashi may or may not make it big, but he certainly is among the ones who might be given a chance. Let's see what happens.
Yeah, agreed with what you said - although I think he's not going to be the best pick for another couple years. Nothing against him, but definitely Varma, Sai Sudharsan and I'd also say Padikkal at least should be ahead in the chance order
 
You know what, the more you look at Kohli's figure, the more you think that his stats are just normal. He isnt in the 10K club. I had posted in the retirements thread about Sanga, Younis Khan, Mahela having scored more than VK. Heck, even, Matthews, who retired recently has a tally just short of VK.

All Aggression doesn't necessarily make a great player!

Now, you talk of farewell games- I did make a mention of it in one of my posts, but the real question is- WHY? He didnt give a farewell to the likes of Gambhir, Yuvraj, Harbhajan,Dhawan, Pujara and Rahane. So, why should he(or they) get one?
That's what the problem is. Aggression. I don't understand why it's such a big problem? Was Ganguly not agressive? Was Harbhajan not aggressive on the field? Was Kumble not aggressive? Kohli's agression is what makes him Virat Kohli. He is not MS Dhoni or Rohit Sharma to be calm and composed. It's how he is. Next morning you wakeup and I tell you, 'hey you are very calm, start yelling, shouting and be aggressive' will that work?. If other way around for Kohli. Mind you, the same aggression won us test matches/series overseas.

If we are talking about the numbers, why did the other players (except for a few who are already the legends) didn't amass the same kind of numbers Kohli did? The day he lost the captaincy of limited overs, he was not the same Virat Kohli past that. If you see the stats, his numbers went from bad to worst after the captaincy drama that happened in 2021. The reason they gave was - there can't be different captains for different formats. And then we see a game of thrones in captaincy cap jumping from one head to another.

No one says these players you listed didn't deserve a farewell match. Everyone does, including Ashwin whom you forgot to mention. He was also treated the same way as Sharma or Kohli. Midway through the series you are told, 'You are no longer considered in playing XI'. What was he supposed to do? He retired and that too an emotional one.

The board is NOT treating the players as they should. This is not just one player we are talking, the same happened to many in the past and will continue to happen in future. If Kohli or Sharma were not in scheme of things for Test, why did they ask them to play domestic cricket? heck they even did play the Ranji match in Jan/Feb, to prepare for upcoming series. If they had to retire they would've done so after Aus series. And wouldn't care about returning to domestic cricket.

It's great that the board doesn't care about players or the stature and only the performance. In that case Gill shouldn't even be in the test team, let alone the captaincy. Sarfaraz is not even considered. Karun Nair was not even looked at after having a great domestic season back in his prime. Chahal was overlooked for a Varun Chakravarthy in T20s WC in UAE. Harshit Rana who was picked ahead of Siraj did even make it to playing 11 in Champions Trophy in exception to a couple of games.

My point is, board is the problem and they are to be blamed, first it was Chetan Sharma/Ganguly and now it is Ajit Agarkar/Binny. There is no proper succession plans, grooming plans, operational strategies and player management. Every fortnight you wake up and see a new rules against the players/management. A complete organisational revamp is necessary at this point.

Though the discussion was about the senior players, I wanted to put my points here to address the 'elephant in the room' that no body wants to speak.
 
I missed out on responding to this one earlier.

That's what the problem is. Aggression. I don't understand why it's such a big problem? Was Ganguly not agressive? Was Harbhajan not aggressive on the field? Was Kumble not aggressive? Kohli's agression is what makes him Virat Kohli. He is not MS Dhoni or Rohit Sharma to be calm and composed. It's how he is. Next morning you wakeup and I tell you, 'hey you are very calm, start yelling, shouting and be aggressive' will that work?. If other way around for Kohli. Mind you, the same aggression won us test matches/series overseas.
The unreal hype that Kohli had bestowed upon himself and his teammates, one would have expected him to be among the Top3 in terms of all time run getters in Test cricket. The aggression did win matches- but so did the aggression of Ganguly- to be fair, Ganguly's demeanor was very different as opposed to Kohli's.

If we are talking about the numbers, why did the other players (except for a few who are already the legends) didn't amass the same kind of numbers Kohli did? The day he lost the captaincy of limited overs, he was not the same Virat Kohli past that. If you see the stats, his numbers went from bad to worst after the captaincy drama that happened in 2021. The reason they gave was - there can't be different captains for different formats. And then we see a game of thrones in captaincy cap jumping from one head to another.

I have a different view point- as captain, you are expected to lead from the front- Virat almost always got the teams he wanted. Depsite that, our results weren't upto the mark. The team was lagging behind in ODIs and T20s owing to the brand of cricket being played. It was imperative that we brought in fresh leadership.
The board is NOT treating the players as they should. This is not just one player we are talking, the same happened to many in the past and will continue to happen in future. If Kohli or Sharma were not in scheme of things for Test, why did they ask them to play domestic cricket? heck they even did play the Ranji match in Jan/Feb, to prepare for upcoming series. If they had to retire they would've done so after Aus series. And wouldn't care about returning to domestic cricket.
Disagree again! They are contracted by the BCCI in the highest grade possible. Others are playing domestic cricket and see no reason why this should be an exception for the super stars.
It's great that the board doesn't care about players or the stature and only the performance. In that case Gill shouldn't even be in the test team, let alone the captaincy. Sarfaraz is not even considered. Karun Nair was not even looked at after having a great domestic season back in his prime. Chahal was overlooked for a Varun Chakravarthy in T20s WC in UAE. Harshit Rana who was picked ahead of Siraj did even make it to playing 11 in Champions Trophy in exception to a couple of games.
You will have some unfortunate ones missing out for sure. I do not deny with the above- even in the past, we have had players like Amol Muzumdar or Badrinath who didnt get their dues. Not defending, but that is the nature of the game, where not everyone can be accommodated.
 

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