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And believe me having Pujara as Test Captain would be the greatest blunder India can make of. Just over a couple of years ago Pujara wasn't even considered fit for Overseas Test matches and for the first time after a while he actually performs as per his potential and people want to burden him with Test Captaincy. Let him establish himself enough, give him his own space. And I think by the time he would do that his time would be up. There is no future with Pujara as a Test Captain. Honestly there's nobody apart from Kohli who can Captain India in Tests! And the option we have for limited overs right now is only as good as Kohli.
 

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Just over a couple of years ago Pujara wasn't even considered fit for Overseas Test matches
That was also one of the many and most stupid things this management has done. Pujara has been India's best Test batter for a while now. These 2 clowns wanted the 'intent' then and when it didn't work Pujara was scoring heavily with his 'slow' batting.
 

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That was also one of the many and most stupid things this management has done. Pujara has been India's best Test batter for a while now. These 2 clowns wanted the 'intent' then and when it didn't work Pujara was scoring heavily with his 'slow' batting.

Exactly ! But that is the reason why I don't want him to be the Captain. In case if he becomes the Captain and start thinking he has to score more runs at a quicker pace and he loses what he has gained back he would fail on most of the occasion. And the result would be both Pujara and India would be at a loss. Honestly I want a change but not an instant one. A process should be followed. Even a criminal gets a chance to prove his innocence while Kohli is just a player. I just want people to give him one more year. If he doesn't do well even I would agree in replacing him.[DOUBLEPOST=1565685484][/DOUBLEPOST]@abhi_jacko I would also like to apologise you for that Ganguly thing. I felt that the things were getting serious so just tried to create a humour out of something which went horribly wrong.
 

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If the Indian selectors couldn't sack Dhoni, despite wanting to, how is it possible that they could sack Kohli?
 

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@abhi_jacko I would also like to apologise you for that Ganguly thing. I felt that the things were getting serious so just tried to create a humour out of something which went horribly wrong.

Its all good ! Nothing to apologize for :)
 

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Kohli is just a player. I just want people to give him one more year. If he doesn't do well even I would agree in replacing him.

Two years back, I was arguing with the forum members here (whom I agree with today) to give Kohli a chance because I thought he was being judged too soon and too unfairly. This was before he went through the acid test of overseas tours. I wanted to see how he performs as a captain during the big overseas tours and in ICC tournaments. The things that really matter - because with we are almost unbeatable in home conditions thanks to the team we have.

So, personally, I am done giving him more time to prove himself. We have under performed repeatedly at important tournaments and Kohli has to cop the blame for that quite a bit. I do not think he is a good leader and he has been given plenty of chances. And his leadership gets worse with the length of the match. His captaincy is the worst in Tests. Ofcourse, what I think doesn't matter because Kohli is going to continue as captain for some more time. Do not see him being replaced. I just hope his clout doesn't lead to Ravi Shastri being made coach again, because then nothing will change. We will continue to "compete"
 

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Two years back, I was arguing with the forum members here

Tbh I have been reading the old threads as well so I know everything that has happened here. Not just you but even @SaiSrini was advocating Kohli back then.

I also know about member known as @War. I am sure @LiveLoveABD would consider me worse than him :spy
 

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Tbh I have been reading the old threads as well so I know everything that has happened here. Not just you but even @SaiSrini was advocating Kohli back then.

I also know about member known as @War. I am sure @LiveLoveABD would consider me worse than him :spy

I have not responded even once to you in the last many days. I have no idea who @War is or at least don't recollect right now. I have never had any issue with you personally. It's just a forum. You are just at an age where you just know you are right and I have been there myself so it's okay. I am not judging you for it. I just am at an age where I can't relate to it, so instead of banging heads, I ignore it but because you made this thread I had to unignore it. To sight an example, you are drawing comparisons to Ganguly and you must have been a baby when he was running the show? It's impossible for you to intricately know the underbelly of Indian cricket in the mid 90's because of your age. I am not saying it's your fault or I have achieved something by being born in 1987, it's just how it is. I can never judge Kapil Dev but just this World Cup my dad saw Bangladesh play and he felt they could win the World Cup and I laughed at him saying they could may be make the semi's but that's it. He says India were exactly in the same position back in 1983 so it was a bit of an eye opener for me.

I will say one thing- MSD is probably my fav Indian cricketer off all time, but he was going to be nowhere if Ganguly had not laid the foundation. You asked a question- Did Ganguly teach Yuvraj how to hold a bat? No. But when he failed, he knew he would still be in the team and bat at a certain position. That goes a long long way in becoming a successful cricketer. Dhoni himself was on the brink of being dropped, but Ganguly persisted with him. There is a reason the likes of Zak, Yuvraj, Kaif, Harbhajan, Nehra, Sehwag etc. credit him with their success. Kohli has dropped Pujara (equivalent of Dravid in the past era, unheard of to people like me), dropped Rahane (equivalent of Laxman in the days gone by) and a lot of people have fallen by the wayside i.e number 4's in ODI's and Karun Nair. His partiality towards Dhawan has also become less of a topic these days but I have seen Vijay sit out to have him play test abroad which is again mind numbing considering how Vijay had performed.

God knows how many times I say this, but uncertainty for spots breeds insecurity in individuals. It is true in every sphere of life. Before the Australia series, apart from Kohli no one was a sure starter in the test XI. In Ganguly's and Dhoni's rule, at best one or two spots used to be up for contention.
 

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Ganguly had not laid the foundation. You asked a question- Did Ganguly teach Yuvraj how to hold a bat? No.

Honestly I always rated Ganguly above Dhoni. And to me yes he is the best to Captain India and no one even comes close to him. And also I did mention that it was just an attempt made to make things like lighter which went horribly wrong. See even I don't rate Kohli that much as Captain but his attitude towards the game is inspiring not just for me but for all those fans who watches him play, all those former legends and players who have played the game and the experts of the game along with the ones who play with him and that all makes up for his errors. I know he has made blunders and is repeating similar mistakes at times but he has got the potential to be the very best.

I would stop this over here as this is not actually the place on this forum to discuss about it. It's a tour thread and we need to discuss about the tour. That's up from my part.
 

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Back to 3rd ODI now

I think India should rest Rohit for this match and should give a chance to KL Rahul. Saini comes in place of Bhuvneshwar Kumar. Rest of the line-up remains the same.

For Windies I don't think Gayle would be dropped so I don't see a change in their line-up. I would have liked Campbell to get more chances as of now.
 

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Honestly I always rated Ganguly above Dhoni. And to me yes he is the best to Captain India and no one even comes close to him. And also I did mention that it was just an attempt made to make things like lighter which went horribly wrong. See even I don't rate Kohli that much as Captain but his attitude towards the game is inspiring not just for me but for all those fans who watches him play, all those former legends and players who have played the game and the experts of the game along with the ones who play with him and that all makes up for his errors. I know he has made blunders and is repeating similar mistakes at times but he has got the potential to be the very best.

I would stop this over here as this is not actually the place on this forum to discuss about it. It's a tour thread and we need to discuss about the tour. That's up from my part.

Let this be my last post on the matter too then.

Ganguly is not above Dhoni. And, Ganguly would be in any top 5 captains since 1992 list of anyone who's watched cricket since then. In limited overs cricket, Dhoni was absolutely iron man and this does not even include his batting. When you add to the fact that he was a keeper, finisher and captain his achievements and more importantly conduct is mind numbing. You are talking about someone who was basically Michael Bevan who could slog better, captain like Imran Khan and wicket keep like Ian Healy. It is, to me, mind numbing. In tests, his captaincy definitely got defensive (SENA tours) but then he never had an attack or even two bowlers who could consistently put pressure on the batsmen.

On to Kohli. The thing I love about Kohli is his dedication, the way he has enhanced the fitness culture in the country and not just the team and sheer commitment to the game. But, the same attributes could be said of all the great cricketers and captains we have mentioned in this topic. May be, his swearing and extrovert nature (nothing wrong in it) makes you feel like he's more committed but I have seen bowlers and captains get mentally destroyed by blokes like David and Dhoni without them uttering a word or hell even batting an eye lid. Aggression is in mind and heart, not mouth and I can tell you that all my life I've played cricket I am very much in the Kohli mould on the field. But, I have team mates and some members from oppositions over the years who don't utter a word but I know how diligent they are.

I have zero issue with Kohli's attitude. Sure, it's very petulant at times but that's the beauty of life and sport. You need characters of both types. Is he a captain? No. Is he a leader? Most certainly not. The sample size is in front of us and this is no longer an opinion or debate, there are a plethora of facts to put a Q.E.D on it but Kohli has too much power largely due to a non functioning governing body and a mass of wealth that is being laundered around. It's all too political..
 

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A classic Gayle innings. If this is the last time we see him in ODIs, it is one hell of a way to sign off! :clap
 

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