South Africa in Australia Nov-Dec 2012/13

IanG

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South Africa in Australia Nov 2012-Dec 2012

02-04 Nov vs Australia A Sydney

09-13 Nov 1st Test Brisbane
22-26 Nov 2nd Test Adelaide
30 Nov - 4 Dec 3rd Test Perth

South Africa now touring Australia at the start of Australia's season as they got jack of being away for Christmas and Australia don't want to be away for Christmas either.

At least it's a proper test series thought (ie 3 match minimum)
 

spooony

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Well Australia toured SA usually during this period why shouldn't SA do the same? I notice Perthfontein on the list. WACA is the fastest track in the world should be fun for Steyn, Morkel and Philander
 

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They will like Brisbane too :yes

As for tour dates...Australia only toured SA ONCE during this period, and it was a debacle of scheduling. Only 2 Tests squeezed in between the Champions League and the Aussie summer.

In other series news...AB de Villiers may be forced out!
Injuries may rule star South Africa batsman AB De Villiers out of upcoming Australia tour | News.com.au

Yes. But when did they go on tour in December time? I know boxing day tests are a tradition but you got to think of players and their families and the also take that they just came back from England and the T20 WC.

Last time we toured Australia we won the first two tests by being completely outplayed for 3 or 4 days and to get our act together when it mattered and of course broke that 17 year old record that Australia had of not losing a series at home. This time we go in as the no 1 ranked team and the pressure will be a bit of the Aussies and more on us. We will in the situation that England was. Aussies will be fired up and a point to prove so it will be close I think. Duminy loves the Aussie tracks. Just hope Amla can continue his form
 

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South Africa in Australia 2012-13 : Rory Kleinveldt included in South Africa's Test squad for Australia | Cricket News | Australia v South Africa | ESPN Cricinfo

Good to see S Africa get rid of Tsotsobe. In the absence of De Lange, lopsy would have been a useless back-up to main trio of Steyn/Morkel/Philander.

However Klienvelt is an interesting selection. Somehow i was thinking guys like Craig Alexander, Chris Morris or Ryan Mclaren may have been ahead of him in the pecking order.

Heino Kuhn however is the best test keeper option in S Africa. The quota pushed Tsolekie is going to weaken SA's lower order if De Villiers is relived of the keeping duties.
 

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We are in the lucky situation to have that extra bowler and batsman thanks to Kallis. A rare luxury not many teams have and that is whats able to give us the edge over the rest at times. We have finally found 3 good bowlers and Amla give us great stability in the top order. AB should bat at 4. Tsolikele is not even the best glove man in SA and he is in his 30's. Now that is what we call looking at the future.

Edit: I notice I can't mention quota's on here as political incorrectness comes in as I notice in my user CP.

I got this bad rep Sri Lanka in Australia... you clearly think SA = non-black SA

I had to laugh as
1. I am colored myself and
2. WTF has that to do with the Sri Lanka vs Australia thread? lol
 
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We are in the lucky situation to have that extra bowler and batsman thanks to Kallis. A rare luxury not many teams have and that is whats able to give us the edge over the rest at times. We have finally found 3 good bowlers and Amla give us great stability in the top order. AB should bat at 4. Tsolikele is not even the best glove man in SA and he is in his 30's. Now that is what we call looking at the future.

Edit: I notice I can't mention quota's on here as political incorrectness comes in as I notice in my user CP.

I got this bad rep Sri Lanka in Australia... you clearly think SA = non-black SA

I had to laugh as
1. I am colored myself and
2. WTF has that to do with the Sri Lanka vs Australia thread? lol

Kallis has never really troubled Australia with ball or bat. I rate him highly, one of my favorite cricketers but I doubt we're losing sleep over him. Its obviously just been a mental thing for him given his amazimg talent, so who knows if he can break the shackles. Maybe its 20th time a charm?

Amla and philander will make our break your campaign and I think most of the homework will go into those players (you certainly won't hear anyone talking about quotas as the reason these guys play). Steyn is going to scare the bejesus out of anyone, but besides him only philander looks capable of skittling us. If we can get on top of him, there's not a lot to follow. Morkel has always been cannon fodder for the Aussies, like kallis. I just can't see that changing, but both have the talent to prove me wrong....very wrong. But going by the English series, they are still hot and cold bowlers so if we catch them cold the Aussies could post respectable totals even if steyn is firing.

South Africa have a far superior middle order..and top order for that matter. But their middle order has always proven as soft as anyone's given a few early break throughs. Amlas shown he can single handedly demoralise a good bowling outfit. Not saying its a one man team, because smith, ab and jp have all had success against the aussies....but getting on top of their in form batsmen early automatically puts pressure on a side. And handling pressure has never been the strength of South Africa, even though they've consistently had as much talent as any side in the last 15 years. But if the likes of Smith, amla, kallis do make a good start, the middle order is great at capitalizing. Whereas the difference with Australia is they will rarely capitalize on good starts... but may as well not even come out if we lose a few at the start.

But this is only 3 tests...if the Aussies can manufacture some decent first innings totals, I genuinely think we have the fire power to open up some old wounds. The Aussies need more luck than the saffers.....but I think they are still half a chance. We played the same outfit practically yesterday on home soil and made a very good account of ourselves....probably should've won considering we lost from a position of absolute dominance in the first test. And the last time the saffers came here we were in similarly dominant positions in the first 2 tests to only throw it away. I think the Aussies learnt a thing or 2...or at least remembered how to finish off test matches against the Indians. Problem is this has been our biggest lay off from test matches forever so the momentum has been lost.

Its south Africa's series to lose....but what has the worlds number one ranking meant lately? Nothing. India dropped out in record time and are now minnows, england almost matched them....can south Africa stay at the top for more than a couple of series? I thought both India and england would dominate for at least a year...so its too hard to call. I just hope we don't get pounded 3-0 then drop pointing and hussey as scapegoats....that will kiss goodbye our ashes hopes.
 

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Agree about Morkel's hot and coldness. Bowled a lot of random stuff in the England series. If he turns up at all in this series I think Aussies are in deep trouble. Aussies just don't have the quality in batting technique. Ponting and Hussey used to, but are getting on a bit now.

That said, I hope the Aussie bowlers turn up and test out the SA batsmen. I think they certainly can if they bowl well.
 

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I expect AUS to loose.

AUS certainly have the fast-bowling armoury to keep SA's batting honest. But inversely can't see our batting line-up being able to score enough runs vs Steyn/Philander/Morkel.

Really worried about Cowan may be exposed and i fear Warner will be very hit and miss. Ponting will have to make runs and this is certainly the series where Watson's batting needs to step up another gear and begin scoring more centuries.

If AUS do lose as i expect, i would say the way AUS are potentially defeated will determine what reaction fans should take and if the selectors should make wholesale changes. If AUS are toppled, but run the proteas hard in each tests, then that should be seen as a positive, as it may highlight how strong SA are at the moment in tests. No correlation on how it may affect next year's Ashes results should be drawn.

However if its a one-sided pummelling, the all concerns can certainly be drawn.
 
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If Brisbane and Perth are seamer friendly, picking an all pace attack of Hilfenhaus/Pattinson/Starc/Siddle/Watson may be the way to go in those two tests.

If may be the only way AUS will be certain to stay in the series.
 

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Kallis has never really troubled Australia with ball or bat. I rate him highly, one of my favorite cricketers but I doubt we're losing sleep over him. Its obviously just been a mental thing for him given his amazimg talent, so who knows if he can break the shackles. Maybe its 20th time a charm?

Amla and philander will make our break your campaign and I think most of the homework will go into those players (you certainly won't hear anyone talking about quotas as the reason these guys play). Steyn is going to scare the bejesus out of anyone, but besides him only philander looks capable of skittling us. If we can get on top of him, there's not a lot to follow. Morkel has always been cannon fodder for the Aussies, like kallis. I just can't see that changing, but both have the talent to prove me wrong....very wrong. But going by the English series, they are still hot and cold bowlers so if we catch them cold the Aussies could post respectable totals even if steyn is firing.

South Africa have a far superior middle order..and top order for that matter. But their middle order has always proven as soft as anyone's given a few early break throughs. Amlas shown he can single handedly demoralise a good bowling outfit. Not saying its a one man team, because smith, ab and jp have all had success against the aussies....but getting on top of their in form batsmen early automatically puts pressure on a side. And handling pressure has never been the strength of South Africa, even though they've consistently had as much talent as any side in the last 15 years. But if the likes of Smith, amla, kallis do make a good start, the middle order is great at capitalizing. Whereas the difference with Australia is they will rarely capitalize on good starts... but may as well not even come out if we lose a few at the start.

But this is only 3 tests...if the Aussies can manufacture some decent first innings totals, I genuinely think we have the fire power to open up some old wounds. The Aussies need more luck than the saffers.....but I think they are still half a chance. We played the same outfit practically yesterday on home soil and made a very good account of ourselves....probably should've won considering we lost from a position of absolute dominance in the first test. And the last time the saffers came here we were in similarly dominant positions in the first 2 tests to only throw it away. I think the Aussies learnt a thing or 2...or at least remembered how to finish off test matches against the Indians. Problem is this has been our biggest lay off from test matches forever so the momentum has been lost.

Its south Africa's series to lose....but what has the worlds number one ranking meant lately? Nothing. India dropped out in record time and are now minnows, england almost matched them....can south Africa stay at the top for more than a couple of series? I thought both India and england would dominate for at least a year...so its too hard to call. I just hope we don't get pounded 3-0 then drop pointing and hussey as scapegoats....that will kiss goodbye our ashes hopes.

Kallis avg over 45 in Australia with his batting. Morkel have improved greatly and he will love the pace and bounce he get from the Aussie pitches as seems to generate it those almost on every type of pitch. But he a strike bowler which means they don't mind going for few as long as they pick up wickets.

I know the rankings meant jack as England got them to no 1 by winning a lot of home games and beating Bangladesh away. But the English side did beat Australia in the Ashes and were getting loud about their performances until we brought tem down to reality. First goal has been reached by beating England (and Smith ending the reign of another English captain, third in a row) and now its goal no 2 and see if we can have another success in Australia or do we have to wait another 16 years. Time will tell
 
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If Brisbane and Perth are seamer friendly, picking an all pace attack of Hilfenhaus/Pattinson/Starc/Siddle/Watson may be the way to go in those two tests.

If may be the only way AUS will be certain to stay in the series.

Cummins is he available? Played a hell of a match against the Proteas last time, extremely promising bowler.

I am not ruling the Aussies, in fact I am sure they would win the series, it will be close but they have a better bowling side, SA only have Steyn to count on as Philander looks like a 7 test wonder. The fast men coupled with Clarke/Ponting/Hussey/Watson would prove to be too much for South Africa.
 

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On form, I'd say Cummins is on the back markers. He hasn't played a 4 day game since the Test in South Africa and if anything can be drawn from T20s, you might say he looks that little bit more likely to drop a loose ball. He's still a teenager, so he's probably not expected to play many first class games.

Starc on the other hand has played Tests, for Aus A and even Yorkshire. He's certainly been getting the white ball to curl in wickedly and is the sort of player that gives any team a bit of variation.

However Starc is not a red ball specialist compared to Pattinson. Pattinson might bowl the odd bad innings, but lately, hasn't had a bad game. His last 10 first class games, 5 of which were for Australia, have netted 53 wickets. So his position is probably the most assured.
 

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