The VB Series 2006

[genghis_khan]

lol

well lets just say he's not as bad as hopes lol
and he needs a haircut badly, im sick of looking at his long girl hair!

 

[irottev]

We had no trouble taking Braken for 5 or 6 an over. I don't see why other teams do too. Hopes needs to be replaced. He isn't threatening at all. If a batsman wanted to thrash him he could easily. He does nothing with the ball.

This game is over.

 

[genghis_khan]

thats the problem theres no real depth in Australian fast bowling

 

[James219]

Bracken is in no way a mediocre bowler. He's just finding his feet at this level and is a very decent support bowler, that's all expected of him at present anyway. He has variation, thinks on his feet and stays pretty cool under pressure. And Hall would be a case for opening the innings, he's had some success down there before, however doing this is not going to help Smith recover as an opening batsman.
And Hopes was never regarded as being a future prospect for Australian fast bowling anyway, they are just developing him until Watson is back to his best; you don't have absolute top quality all-rounders lying around everywhere.

 

[squiz]

We had no trouble taking Braken for 5 or 6 an over. I don't see why other teams do too. Hopes needs to be replaced. He isn't threatening at all. If a batsman wanted to thrash him he could easily. He does nothing with the ball.

This game is over.

Other countries don't have grounds the size of backyards.

 

[irottev]

Bracken is a sound bowler. I would say hes mediocre. I mean hes no where near in in the league of people like Lee, McGrath, Pollock, Flintoff, etc.. Hes inexpensive compared to Dorey, Clark etc. but I am sure he could easily be replaced by someone like Tait. Lee seems like the only real strike bowler Australia has. I think they need to develop another wicket taker.

I don't think Bracken will be too good in tests. Hes tidy but not threatening.

And you say theres hardly any depth in Australian fast bowling. Oh my god, thats the stupidest comment I have read on these forums. You don't know what your saying. Honestly, you have no idea. Your probably the best off country in the world for bowlers at the moment. I mean you have Gillespie, Kasprowicz, Bichel, Tait even that Lewis guy, and still have other bowlers who havn't played for Australia getting wickets in domestic cricket. I hear a new name a week in the Domestic thread.

I just feel that your selectors arn't being very smart with who they use. They are just tossing bowlers in who they think might do half decent.

 

[genghis_khan]

keep your pants on

if u had any knowledge of Australian cricket u would know that Bichel and Kasprowicz's international careers are finished.
I hardly say two bowlers, who arent exactly banging down the door in the domestic competition great depth...would u?

PS Avonside sucks

 

[Sando]

We had no trouble taking Braken for 5 or 6 an over. I don't see why other teams do.

Wrong.

Nathan Bracken vs. New Zealand

29/10/03 9 overs 2 maidens 3/25
3/11/03 10 overs 3 maidens 0/39
9/11/03 7.3 overs 0 maidens 3/34
3/12/05 8 overs 0 maidens 2/40
7/12/05 7 overs 0 maidens 0/49
10/12/05 9 overs 1 maiden 1/41

Bracken was only taken to once, on a ground the size of my back yard, in a match that saw over 640 runs scored in two innings. Aside from that he has had five excellent matches against New Zealand.

 

[irottev]

Other countries don't have grounds the size of backyards.

I don't see why thats relevant. It doesn't get smaller when we bat compared to when you guys bat. If a bowler bowls a bad ball, it goes for 4, no matter which ground. If its there to hit for six, it can be hit for six on any ground, I don't remember many of our sixes not making it far into the seating areas, infact I remember a few going onto the roofs and top tiers.

Braken bowls at the start when theres 2 men back, so if your trying to say we were smashing him for sixes where he would normally get caught you are wrong. I havn't seen him take a big bag of wickets yet. He goes for a good economy with a wicket usually. Hes good backup but hardly threatening.

 

[aussie1st]

We do have fast bowling stock but they are a bit under done at the moment. Only Tait would get close to a call up. For test we have a ton of guys knocking on the door. But ODI wise we don't have many that are ready. Not one has really had a great ING cup season apart from Brad Williams who threw a hissy fit thus I can't see him coming back.

What on earth are SA doing. This is soooooooooooo boring. They are hitting singles, wtf is the point in doing that? SA need to find more big hitters to replace one of these two nuffies. Their top and middle order looked great. Lower order starting from Prince is extremely crap for chasing a big total.

 

[irottev]

Wrong.

Nathan Bracken vs. New Zealand

29/10/03 9 overs 2 maidens 3/25
3/11/03 10 overs 3 maidens 0/39
9/11/03 7.3 overs 0 maidens 3/34
3/12/05 8 overs 0 maidens 2/40
7/12/05 7 overs 0 maidens 0/49
10/12/05 9 overs 1 maiden 1/41

Bracken was only taken to once, on a ground the size of my back yard, in a match that saw over 640 runs scored in two innings. Aside from that he has had five excellent matches against New Zealand.

2003 doesn't count. Thats ages ago.

And I didn't say we took to him. I said we scored 5 (and 6 on that second game) runs per over against him. Which we did.

How does the size of the ground have anything to do with a bowler bowling good deliverys? The ground may of been 10m shorter or whatever but the ball can't get to the boundary unless its there to hit.

They were good batting pitches though. I do give that to Bracken.

 

[aussie1st]

2003 doesn't count. Thats ages ago.

And I didn't say we took to him. I said we scored 5 (and 6 on that second game) runs per over against him. Which we did.

You're right there, the Bracken of 2003 is way different to 2005/06. I would take the Bracken from 2003 anyday as he was one of the form ODI bowlers back then. He was on fire in India and carried it on through the year. Then came the test matches against India at the end of that year. That was when it all turned to custard for him. ING ODIs he could just keep the ball going across the batsmen. But in Test matches this was his only weapon, he couldn't bring it back in towards the right hander.

 

[irottev]

keep your pants on

if u had any knowledge of Australian cricket u would know that Bichel and Kasprowicz's international careers are finished.
I hardly say two bowlers, who arent exactly banging down the door in the domestic competition great depth...would u?

PS Avonside sucks

??? Avonside sucks? Is that a players name?

Anyway I do realise that. Mabee you should take a look at what bowling stocks countries like South Africa (well look at their 2ns/3rd string attack, its terrible) Us, etc. have. Your much better off then possibly all nations in the bowler department.

You're right there, the Bracken of 2003 is way different to 2005/06. I would take the Bracken from 2003 anyday as he was one of the form ODI bowlers back then. He was on fire in India and carried it on through the year. Then came the test matches against India at the end of that year. That was when it all turned to custard for him. ING ODIs he could just keep the ball going across the batsmen. But in Test matches this was his only weapon, he couldn't bring it back in towards the right hander.

Why did he stop playing?

 

[Sando]

I hardly say two bowlers, who arent exactly banging down the door in the domestic competition great depth...would u?

If you were trying to say you couldn't think of two players putting their hand up for selection (Assuming McGrath, Lee and Bracken are our first choice attack), I would say that Gillespie and Tait are pressing pretty hard, so to is Stuart Clark. Rofe is having a solid season domestically, so too is Mick Lewis. And there are a handful of younger guys around that may be up to the task in a couple of years.

I guess the thrust of my post is that it may not seem to you like there is a wealth of riches there, but relative to other countries it's not too bad.

 

[tsyrmas]

the problem is that us aussies expect these guys to come in and kill their prey asap. just like lee did against india. and when this doesn't happen, which is most likely, we just toss them aside.