6th ODI: Australia v England at Sydney

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  1. aussie1st Retired Administrator

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    First off that is such a poor excuse. If hes not capable of adapting then he shouldn't be in the side. Look at Marsh and Ferguson both were put in spots they haven't played much in and both have performed. And second he has been given a role, that has been to play at number 6. Only one game has he been moved away from that position so I don't know why you are using that excuse anyway.

    As I said the reason Dussey was dropped was not going on with his starts. He has only gone on once this series with the start so hes still got to prove he can go on with the starts.

    No idea why you keep bringing this up and even then it's wrong. Paine was picked for his keeping nothing to do with him being an opener. And if Paine wasn't there then Marsh would open and Hussey would take the gloves so where is the problem apart from a part time keeper? The only way your point with be valid was if they were deciding between a keeper that didn't open and one that did but they weren't as Paine was always seen as the backup to Haddin and the number 3 in Wade opens anyway.

    As I said before though, I don't mind Paine being in the side just use him as a batsmen as well as a keeper else pick someone you can like Wade who would give us the option of adding an explosive number 7 rather than having that spot wasted as a keeper only replacement.

    By the time they named their WC squad they knew exactly how long Hussey was out for heck they named their squad a day early, that doesn't sound like a team that has no idea how long he was out for.
     
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    I am not making an excuse for it. Its no shame for a player in international cricket to struggle to adapt to a new role initially or take time to show his worth in international cricket.

    AUS standards over the last 15 years with so many players fighting for competition has meant of course if a player doesn't grasp his opportunity immediately someone is ready to pounce. During the 2008/09 when Dussey didn't adapt, we had Ferguson ready to come in.

    This however is not the reality for other international sides who dont have such tremendous depth. Other teams continuously back players do come good in set roles because they dont have better players in domestic cricket knocking down the door. Their a TONNES of examples of this in international cricket in recent history:

    - NZ situation with James Franlkyn currently

    - England with Flintoff circa 98-2001

    - West Indies with Fidel Edwards

    - India with Laxman in test before his Kolkotta 2001 innings

    - India with Zaheer Khan before 2006

    - India with Yuvraj Singh in tests all these years (although they have given up on him in that format)

    - AUS with Brett Lee in tests between Ashes 2001-2005 (although some may argue that AUS could have carried him in the team then given McGrath/Dizzy/Warne where so good)

    - South Africa with Paul Harris in tests. Although now with Imran Tahir emerging, his test career will be over.

    - SRI currently with Upul Tharanga. An opener who has been seen as the next Jayasuriya, who has been in & out of their ODI side for years now.

    - Windies with Marlon Samuels before he was banned in 2008

    I can go on & on here my friend.

    Yea sure he has a point to prove that he can improve on his starts. But the way you are making it sound if is you wanted him to score a 50 in every game so far.


    Well firstly if the situation where to occur in the world-cup & Haddin where to have a serious injury that ruled him out. I wouldn't want Hussey anywhere near keeping for a match of long term. When was the last time Hussey ever kept in a match situation anyway?. Thats way too much of risky tactic that i would never support.

    Secondly i dont know how you are saying Paine isn't being picked for his ability to be an opener. Where has he been batting for AUS in the ODIs he has played?. Hasn't it it been as an opener?


    Yes technically Wade is more explosive than Paine & can do both the opening & # 7 role. But it would have been extremely harsh to drop Paine for the ODI side, given he has been fairly solid the times he has played. When you have alot of quality depth someone has to miss out, Paine will do fine if he has to play.


    All they knew is that he would not play for the remainder of the current ODI series by time they announced the ODI squad on Jan 18th. But i dont see what the big deal is here, since if he doesn't make it ICC regulations means they can stilll replace him (likely with Ferguson) for the 15 man squad by the time the squad leaves for IND.
     
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    Guess you don't support the English or Indian squad selection then. Who keeps if their specialist keeper goes down?

    Again I don't see how his ability to open comes into play. What you are saying is Paine was picked because he can open over the other option but the other option Wade also opens. Him opening had nothing to do with him being picked, it was solely him being the number 2 keeper and the selectors not taking a punt.

    I'm not questioning Paine being picked over Wade, just the fact he should have been picked in this match as a specialist batsmen or made Haddin one.

    Australia news: Hussey doubtful for World Cup | Australia Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo They know the injury, the guy is having surgery that is more than enough to suggest he is going to struggle to be fit in time for the WC. This is professional sports they would have a fair idea of how long a guy will be out for.
    As for what the big deal is, well you tell me you were the one that posted:
    And lastly to save you the trouble we have always and will always name our squads 1 month earlier. 2007 WC, Australia name their WC squad on the 13 February 2007, the WC started on 14 March 2007.
     
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    I was at this game on Wednesday. great match

    Was a very enjoyable night. Just a shame I had to leave early so I could get back to the motel before reception closed.

    Fair bit of action off the field as well. Plenty of low flying beach balls and there were a few attempts to get a beer snake going. Only to have the fun spoiled by the fluro brigade. Those blokes must want practice in case the don't like the movie they see at the Drive In.

    Its a wonder they didn't resort to the frangers.

    At least one person would be going home in the back of a divvy van.

    As for the fluros go. Most of them are probably frustrated cops who must have failed the medical or something. FUN POLICE! Harmless fun. At least we dont burn down the stands.
     
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    The TV cameras kept showing each beach ball being taken by that security guard. I noticed he handed one to another of his colluege then popped the bigger one.
     
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    what a service to society!
     
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    With ENG definitely not. I always had two keepers in the squad.

    India being @ home could afford to not pick a back-up keeper i guess, since unlike the touring teams the player can be drafted in immediately if such a scenario where to happen Dhoni. Other teams run the risk of the flight delays & the player not reaching IND in time.


    No my argument was that in none of the last two world cups was their WC squad named at the start of the VB series/CB series/common-wealth bank series. As was the case this time, it was always named @ the end of the AUS home ODI summer in 03 & 07

    Of course this time around with the WC being in February which was earlier than the last 2 tournaments i. But this is where the ICC should have allowed all teams who where playing their last ODI series in the last month a little more time to name their squads. Since basically every nation was grappling with one of two selectional dilemmas, which was was utterly foolish.
     
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    That can be easily fixed by having your backup keeper traveling on holiday there.

    I'm positive there is nothing the ICC could do, they are obligated by contract to the various publications to have each team name their 15 man squad a month early so they can print off their guides, magazines.
     
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    But you're wrong. Squads were named for 2003 by the start of January.
     
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    IIRC VB series 02/03 started during the Ashes (between the 3rd test & 4th test) & the first half of that tournament they played a good 5-6 ODIs before that squad was named. Which is ample enough time to have a final look @ a squad before you select it, unlike the madness that happened this time around.

    Plus of course circa 2003 AUS basically knew their best ODI for that tournament since the 2002 champions trophy.


    True. Which is unfortunate & a bit irritating since they basically left all the major teams in a mad mess.

    Ha ye, that would be a good idea.
     
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    5 ODIs; but Australia only played 3 of them. They played 3 ODIs against Sri Lanka this summer, so combined with the one England game, this madness seems a bit overstated.
     

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