SLIDERS - Around the world in 80 pitch sliders.....again

Rain94

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Also Ken, you say you have the run rate at 25. Why not just simply lower it even more? I have mine set to 18. Even the suggested 20 wasn't enough for me. My AI run rate average when playing Tests, mainly the preset Ashes from the main menu, can hover from 2.60 to 3.80 depending how I bowl with the inputs. Perfect/Ideals as well as good line and length generally give me dot balls. Good/Good often get knocked around for runs.
 

Rain94

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@Rumple43 When the dust settles after all the patching and we have a more stable platform to work with, I'll help you and @WealeyH gather all the data you need. I get very in-depth so I'll even use a ruler for every single ball to measure on the screen to keep it somewhat scientific. I work with spreadsheets (I enjoy them!) daily for my occupation and I will input all the data neatly for analysis to determine the correlation of the values in the settings to on screen results in the game. Judging from your other post (Pitch Sliders Tinkering/Discussion), I think you'll enjoy going through the data. My knowledge of cricket isn't as great, so hopefully you guys can come up with sliders for a more realistic gameplay for each of the conditions.
 

Rain94

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As for the AI hammering the 6th ball, a lot of my wickets, I would say roughly 60%, come on the 6th ball as I unleash a ball completely unexpected as l work the AI for the first 4 or 5 balls to set them up. If the strike was rotated just before the 6th ball, then I will tend to just bowl relatively safe to preserve the 1 run. My AI settings are 48 Striker Timing, 38 Wicket Chance, 50 Bowl Quality (I haven't really batted yet actually using these sliders but will adjust later to suit my style), and 18 Run rate. Here's a camera capture of the game I just started earlier today. I regret purchasing this game on the PS5 as I had just managed to find one and wanted to play lounging around in bed. I will probably end up getting the Steam version so I can share captures and do my analysis more easily.1639357184421.png
 
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Rumple43

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Had some time to play today and blasted through most of Day 1 of a Test between England and WI at Old Trafford. Grassy medium pitch, for reference. Won the toss and had a bowl, really enjoyed myself, I'll not lie!

I'm not quite ready to share the sliders yet, as I did tweak quite a few of them to try and make conditions more bowler friendly, and I've also not batted yet so idk what the balance will be like bat to ball, user to AI etc. I will share what I found/experienced tho, as it was ace!

Enjoyably balanced session, in truth. A bit of everything. There were periods when the AI was on top, bits when I felt on top, some good shots, some misses, some edges, a couple of wickets.

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A few wickets for me, then the AI battling back with a good partnership from Bonner and Chase.

Very few extras, AI scoring at a very sensible 3RPO. Brathwaite played down the wrong line to one from Jimmy and lost his off peg, and Powell was caught at square leg in the circle. I know, right?! I wanted to give all four seamers a good go, but Woakes wasn't at his best. I really like bowling with Archer tho, I have to say. Token over of spin before lunch, as is tradition.

I enjoyed the first session, I even grabbed some rough highlights from it in fact


First up was a quick one, pad then bat or bat then pad? Turned out to be pad bat, but outside the line. I really liked how organic it felt tho. Then the very next ball he goes an inside edges me to finest of fine legs. Horrible!

Then there's the Powell wicket, an edge, a play and miss, a beautiful drive from Chase (that was to be a view into things to come!) and then a good one from Woakes to finish.

Well balanced going into the afternoon, and I wanted to make sure I got into them quickly. It went to plan.

90-3 at lunch went to 98-4, and we progressed well the rest of the session, truth be told.

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3.3RPO in that session, 3.1 for the day. It felt like West Indies were being more aggressive at times, especially Chase he got settled and started to make a move. I was happy to take it though considering how frequently I was collecting wickets. Good economy rates, Woakes still sticking out.

The run out was one of the typical ones we're seeing at the moment, throw from the deep that catches the AI trying an extra run. It only happened once tho.

Bonner was out caught at slip, as was Mayers. Holder was plum, no need for a review there. Getting Chase was class though. Check this out for a 3 ball sequence!


I didn't like the first one, it just didn't look right to me. Turns out it was closer than the second one that I did review! In the end, I just came up with a better way to get Chase out. No reviewing that one.

I also had this ball in the session as well. Wasted on Da Silva, sadly. Too good for you, lad!


Time to get things wrapped up. Joseph and Da Silva started steadily after tea, annoyingly. With the ball starting to get towards 65 overs, it was time for plan B. Unlike anything Boris can dream up, my plan B was much better!

Captain Root came on to chuck a few down, quickly got Joseph caught behind. Then this shortly after:


Da Silva had a ridiculous swipe at one a few balls earlier, looked like he was trying to smash it into orbit, eventually it skied to deep point and Stokes dropped it (despite me doing the catch mini game fine). I was so annoyed he dropped it I didn't grab a video clip, but it looked so cool (drop aside). I do like that the mini game success isn't just an auto catch, there's still some attributes behind it etc, but yeah, mad at the drop and mad I didn't record it. Still, the clip above is good enough, a deep catch to go with one in the ring earlier. Both are excellent to see.

Nine down, this happened:


What a mental way to wrap it up! Love it!

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A paltry 2.1RPO after tea then, making for 2.9RPO for the innings.

One of the reasons I dragged the RR down is the fact I bowled over 20 balls in a row without a run at one stage. I know, I'm as shocked as you with how the AI likes to script a single or boundary every over!

Root and Broad bowled 3 maidens each, with Root also taking two wickets in the last one. With a battered old ball, as well!

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I was just planning for the new ball, in the end I wrapped up the innings. No doubt slighted by my decision to go with Anderson and Archer for the new cherry, I stuck Broad on to get me to 80 and he's done the business. Egg on my managerial face!

All in all, a load of fun had. I'll keep you all posted with how I get on with the bat, and if things continue in a good vein I'll share what numbers and settings I've got plugged in.
 

Stephen Bailey

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With regards to the wicket off the boot for Root, it kinda annoys me after Cricket 19. It happened so much in 19 that I ended up taking out all close catchers except for slip. It is at least MUCH less prevalent in 22. One thing I'm noticing now that I'm playing with spinners more is there seems to be A LOT of catches from inside edges from glances to leg that hit the pad and pop up for an easy catch to leg slip or short leg. Now, I like the wicket itself with it being a bat/pad, but I bowled England out for 68 last night with spinners with several of those wickets being the boot and the inside edge while glancing. I noticed it with Root in my first Ashes Test as well.

Unfortunately, I fancy that isn't something that can be helped with sliders, although I'll happily be proven wrong! Feel like I'll end up just taking out the close catchers again.
 

Ken Tremendous

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Unfortunately, I fancy that isn't something that can be helped with sliders, although I'll happily be proven wrong! Feel like I'll end up just taking out the close catchers again.
The problem i have with that is that a good bat pad dismissal is like cricketing porn...
 

Rumple43

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The problem i have with that is that a good bat pad dismissal is like cricketing porn...
Ha! This, exactly.

I enjoy having men around the bat, and not having played Cricket 19, I didn't know it was a thing that they happened so frequently. On Ashes they were rare as hen's teeth. Hopefully there's still a good balance, don't want to have every dismissal be a bat pad, or just spinners to rip through teams in general.
 

Ken Tremendous

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Ha! This, exactly.

I enjoy having men around the bat, and not having played Cricket 19, I didn't know it was a thing that they happened so frequently. On Ashes they were rare as hen's teeth. Hopefully there's still a good balance, don't want to have every dismissal be a bat pad, or just spinners to rip through teams in general.
I havent used spin much in this game as been testing so much on grassy decks, which leads me on to...after ive completed this test i started, id like to have a pop on some settings you can come up with for a raging turner, see how the bounce goes in testing, and ill be interested to see if bat pads are overpowered or if they are balanced ok.

NZ made a round 400 against me, im currently 28/1 at lunch on Day Two...
 

Rumple43

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I havent used spin much in this game as been testing so much on grassy decks, which leads me on to...after ive completed this test i started, id like to have a pop on some settings you can come up with for a raging turner, see how the bounce goes in testing, and ill be interested to see if bat pads are overpowered or if they are balanced ok.

NZ made a round 400 against me, im currently 28/1 at lunch on Day Two...
@WealeyH may be your man for that. He mentioned he'd made some hard sliders but didn't say what deck. Could be spin, he can confirm.

I am already 70 or so for 1 in my reply. I'm England, so Burns as a left hander and Malan at #3, both who get so many free runs from right handed bowlers just chucking down garbage onto the pads. That's something I'd enjoy BA looking at for sure. I'm generally fine for the most part with this game, but that fix would be high on my own personal list I reckon.

Either way, I've just made my sliders a bit more difficult as a result. I probably need to start a new game for them to take effect tho, sadly.
 

Wealey

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@WealeyH may be your man for that. He mentioned he'd made some hard sliders but didn't say what deck. Could be spin, he can confirm.

I am already 70 or so for 1 in my reply. I'm England, so Burns as a left hander and Malan at #3, both who get so many free runs from right handed bowlers just chucking down garbage onto the pads. That's something I'd enjoy BA looking at for sure. I'm generally fine for the most part with this game, but that fix would be high on my own personal list I reckon.

Either way, I've just made my sliders a bit more difficult as a result. I probably need to start a new game for them to take effect tho, sadly.

@Ken Tremendous the art to making it bloody tough on a spinning deck is to increase spin flight and the gap between min and max pace. This then makes timing it a poxy mindfield. Can really give you that raging burner feeling and 180 being a good score! Happy to set something up with you if your keen!
 

Ken Tremendous

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@Ken Tremendous the art to making it bloody tough on a spinning deck is to increase spin flight and the gap between min and max pace. This then makes timing it a poxy mindfield. Can really give you that raging burner feeling and 180 being a good score! Happy to set something up with you if your keen!
Yes that would be good, an Indian bunsen would be great settings wise.
 

Will6363

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Had some time to play today and blasted through most of Day 1 of a Test between England and WI at Old Trafford. Grassy medium pitch, for reference. Won the toss and had a bowl, really enjoyed myself, I'll not lie!

I'm not quite ready to share the sliders yet, as I did tweak quite a few of them to try and make conditions more bowler friendly, and I've also not batted yet so idk what the balance will be like bat to ball, user to AI etc. I will share what I found/experienced tho, as it was ace!

Enjoyably balanced session, in truth. A bit of everything. There were periods when the AI was on top, bits when I felt on top, some good shots, some misses, some edges, a couple of wickets.

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A few wickets for me, then the AI battling back with a good partnership from Bonner and Chase.

Very few extras, AI scoring at a very sensible 3RPO. Brathwaite played down the wrong line to one from Jimmy and lost his off peg, and Powell was caught at square leg in the circle. I know, right?! I wanted to give all four seamers a good go, but Woakes wasn't at his best. I really like bowling with Archer tho, I have to say. Token over of spin before lunch, as is tradition.

I enjoyed the first session, I even grabbed some rough highlights from it in fact


First up was a quick one, pad then bat or bat then pad? Turned out to be pad bat, but outside the line. I really liked how organic it felt tho. Then the very next ball he goes an inside edges me to finest of fine legs. Horrible!

Then there's the Powell wicket, an edge, a play and miss, a beautiful drive from Chase (that was to be a view into things to come!) and then a good one from Woakes to finish.

Well balanced going into the afternoon, and I wanted to make sure I got into them quickly. It went to plan.

90-3 at lunch went to 98-4, and we progressed well the rest of the session, truth be told.

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3.3RPO in that session, 3.1 for the day. It felt like West Indies were being more aggressive at times, especially Chase he got settled and started to make a move. I was happy to take it though considering how frequently I was collecting wickets. Good economy rates, Woakes still sticking out.

The run out was one of the typical ones we're seeing at the moment, throw from the deep that catches the AI trying an extra run. It only happened once tho.

Bonner was out caught at slip, as was Mayers. Holder was plum, no need for a review there. Getting Chase was class though. Check this out for a 3 ball sequence!


I didn't like the first one, it just didn't look right to me. Turns out it was closer than the second one that I did review! In the end, I just came up with a better way to get Chase out. No reviewing that one.

I also had this ball in the session as well. Wasted on Da Silva, sadly. Too good for you, lad!


Time to get things wrapped up. Joseph and Da Silva started steadily after tea, annoyingly. With the ball starting to get towards 65 overs, it was time for plan B. Unlike anything Boris can dream up, my plan B was much better!

Captain Root came on to chuck a few down, quickly got Joseph caught behind. Then this shortly after:


Da Silva had a ridiculous swipe at one a few balls earlier, looked like he was trying to smash it into orbit, eventually it skied to deep point and Stokes dropped it (despite me doing the catch mini game fine). I was so annoyed he dropped it I didn't grab a video clip, but it looked so cool (drop aside). I do like that the mini game success isn't just an auto catch, there's still some attributes behind it etc, but yeah, mad at the drop and mad I didn't record it. Still, the clip above is good enough, a deep catch to go with one in the ring earlier. Both are excellent to see.

Nine down, this happened:


What a mental way to wrap it up! Love it!

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A paltry 2.1RPO after tea then, making for 2.9RPO for the innings.

One of the reasons I dragged the RR down is the fact I bowled over 20 balls in a row without a run at one stage. I know, I'm as shocked as you with how the AI likes to script a single or boundary every over!

Root and Broad bowled 3 maidens each, with Root also taking two wickets in the last one. With a battered old ball, as well!

View attachment 259366
I was just planning for the new ball, in the end I wrapped up the innings. No doubt slighted by my decision to go with Anderson and Archer for the new cherry, I stuck Broad on to get me to 80 and he's done the business. Egg on my managerial face!

All in all, a load of fun had. I'll keep you all posted with how I get on with the bat, and if things continue in a good vein I'll share what numbers and settings I've got plugged in.
@WealeyH may be your man for that. He mentioned he'd made some hard sliders but didn't say what deck. Could be spin, he can confirm.

I am already 70 or so for 1 in my reply. I'm England, so Burns as a left hander and Malan at #3, both who get so many free runs from right handed bowlers just chucking down garbage onto the pads. That's something I'd enjoy BA looking at for sure. I'm generally fine for the most part with this game, but that fix would be high on my own personal list I reckon.

Either way, I've just made my sliders a bit more difficult as a result. I probably need to start a new game for them to take effect tho, sadly.
I made sliders for different parts of the world for cricket19 I could share if that would help. Don’t have 22 yet to test them out on there yet.
 

Rumple43

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Had some time to play today and blasted through most of Day 1 of a Test between England and WI at Old Trafford. Grassy medium pitch, for reference. Won the toss and had a bowl, really enjoyed myself, I'll not lie!

I'm not quite ready to share the sliders yet, as I did tweak quite a few of them to try and make conditions more bowler friendly, and I've also not batted yet so idk what the balance will be like bat to ball, user to AI etc. I will share what I found/experienced tho, as it was ace!

Enjoyably balanced session, in truth. A bit of everything. There were periods when the AI was on top, bits when I felt on top, some good shots, some misses, some edges, a couple of wickets.

View attachment 259360
View attachment 259361
A few wickets for me, then the AI battling back with a good partnership from Bonner and Chase.

Very few extras, AI scoring at a very sensible 3RPO. Brathwaite played down the wrong line to one from Jimmy and lost his off peg, and Powell was caught at square leg in the circle. I know, right?! I wanted to give all four seamers a good go, but Woakes wasn't at his best. I really like bowling with Archer tho, I have to say. Token over of spin before lunch, as is tradition.

I enjoyed the first session, I even grabbed some rough highlights from it in fact


First up was a quick one, pad then bat or bat then pad? Turned out to be pad bat, but outside the line. I really liked how organic it felt tho. Then the very next ball he goes an inside edges me to finest of fine legs. Horrible!

Then there's the Powell wicket, an edge, a play and miss, a beautiful drive from Chase (that was to be a view into things to come!) and then a good one from Woakes to finish.

Well balanced going into the afternoon, and I wanted to make sure I got into them quickly. It went to plan.

90-3 at lunch went to 98-4, and we progressed well the rest of the session, truth be told.

View attachment 259362
View attachment 259363

3.3RPO in that session, 3.1 for the day. It felt like West Indies were being more aggressive at times, especially Chase he got settled and started to make a move. I was happy to take it though considering how frequently I was collecting wickets. Good economy rates, Woakes still sticking out.

The run out was one of the typical ones we're seeing at the moment, throw from the deep that catches the AI trying an extra run. It only happened once tho.

Bonner was out caught at slip, as was Mayers. Holder was plum, no need for a review there. Getting Chase was class though. Check this out for a 3 ball sequence!


I didn't like the first one, it just didn't look right to me. Turns out it was closer than the second one that I did review! In the end, I just came up with a better way to get Chase out. No reviewing that one.

I also had this ball in the session as well. Wasted on Da Silva, sadly. Too good for you, lad!


Time to get things wrapped up. Joseph and Da Silva started steadily after tea, annoyingly. With the ball starting to get towards 65 overs, it was time for plan B. Unlike anything Boris can dream up, my plan B was much better!

Captain Root came on to chuck a few down, quickly got Joseph caught behind. Then this shortly after:


Da Silva had a ridiculous swipe at one a few balls earlier, looked like he was trying to smash it into orbit, eventually it skied to deep point and Stokes dropped it (despite me doing the catch mini game fine). I was so annoyed he dropped it I didn't grab a video clip, but it looked so cool (drop aside). I do like that the mini game success isn't just an auto catch, there's still some attributes behind it etc, but yeah, mad at the drop and mad I didn't record it. Still, the clip above is good enough, a deep catch to go with one in the ring earlier. Both are excellent to see.

Nine down, this happened:


What a mental way to wrap it up! Love it!

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View attachment 259365
A paltry 2.1RPO after tea then, making for 2.9RPO for the innings.

One of the reasons I dragged the RR down is the fact I bowled over 20 balls in a row without a run at one stage. I know, I'm as shocked as you with how the AI likes to script a single or boundary every over!

Root and Broad bowled 3 maidens each, with Root also taking two wickets in the last one. With a battered old ball, as well!

View attachment 259366
I was just planning for the new ball, in the end I wrapped up the innings. No doubt slighted by my decision to go with Anderson and Archer for the new cherry, I stuck Broad on to get me to 80 and he's done the business. Egg on my managerial face!

All in all, a load of fun had. I'll keep you all posted with how I get on with the bat, and if things continue in a good vein I'll share what numbers and settings I've got plugged in.
Oof! Well, this one progressed quickly!

Firstly, I should say that day 1 of this game was PS4 1.08, it then updated yesterday evening and today I was 1.09. Pretty much me being 30-1 or so, onwards. Not sure how much difference that will make, but worth noting.

In the early going, I did great. They only put 228 up, so I fancied my chances of at least getting there. The only wicket I lost in the morning session was running Hameed out. Legitimate run out as well. I felt like there was a single to midwicket and set off, just didn't get there. 6 inches short or so. Nice that it wasn't a bug, just a bad decision.

100-1 at lunch, day 2. Laughing! Only 128 behind, 9 wickets left. Tuck into the tea and cake boys, we're on here!

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100-1 to 185 all done, 10 overs before tea. Absolute carnage.

The Burns run out was a bug (that I've reported) where he didn't stay in his ground after returning following a cancelled run. Everything else was legitimately hard work. I can't say for sure, but I feel like the ball is doing more now than when I bowled. It's nipping everywhere and the swing is more than enough as well.


Malan went first ball after lunch slashing at a wide one. Root got bowled. Bairstow mistimed a drive and chipped to short cover. Stokes edged a full one to slip. Buttler feathered one. I couldn't keep track of the clips after that but Woakes was caught behind and Archer drilled one to point. I did at least put 19 on with Anderson and Broad trying to smash everything, but even that didn't last long!

I will say, 4 of the edges were ok timing, not early or late. Bairstow's drive was late, but my efforts to make this more bowler friendly with narrower margins for error off the batting team clearly worked.

Before we move on, this is just awesome.


Watching that again, I'd still try and drive that now. I shouldn't, on that deck you need to get in behind it and wait for a wide one, but it sure is tempting!

So......43 behind, what could we do in the final session of day two?

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Action! Excitement! 15 wickets fall in the day and WI are 166 ahead with 5 wickets remaining. Chase still there, he made 50 in the first innings, and Da Silva still to come, who also looked good first up.

Nice to see two catches to the keeper, Buttler only had one in the first innings. Run out wasn't a bug either, like mine, it looked like a single could be on and it wasn't.

So, will the collapse continue? Will the AI do a famous tail wag? Will I fold batting in the second innings regardless? Sure is going to be fun to find out!
 

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