" Piracy "

[Kev]

Can't agree with that. Recreational use is as good as home use, no? Haven't used Elements, but I guess it's basically a photo touch up tool. Not sure it can be used to create serious artworks. A look at the graphics thread will help to understand what I mean. Also by "The fact that you want the business software and you can't afford it is your problem not the software companies.", do you mean to say that anyone who doesn't have enough money shouldn't indulge their passion, that it is the preserve of the rich? Note, it's a question. In fact isn't this exactly why softwares are not vodkas? You can let someone use a software who can't afford it, yet you wouldn't loose anything.

Elements is far more than a photo touch up tool, it is very comprehensive and you can do almost everything with it that you can do with photoshop. I work in the photo industry and have done so for longer than most members have been alive here.

And yes it does come down to price. Photoshop is marketed at businesses and if your business requires it, its not a lot of money to shell out even if you are a one man photographer doing weddings or something, it pays for itself very quickly. If you are a home user and you want to use professional tools then you need to pay for them. I'll continue with the vodka analogy. I like vodka, I drink vodka. I would like to be able to afford to drink the best vodka in the world, but you know what I can't. Do I bitch that the best vodka is too expensive? No, I buy a cheaper vodka I do not steal a bottle of the best vodka.

Actually even the ad based revenue system is despicable. The users are, or will have to eventually put up with a lot of crap to be able to get the songs they want. Considering the no. of people who listen to music

Then there is the choice. Free music with Adverts or buy the tune and don't get the adverts. People who make mods here at this site get very upset when someone else rips off the mod and claims it for themselves. Musicians make a living out of their music. I think they have a right to be paid for it. If they want to do it for free then that is their choice not yours.

 

[mukund_nadkarni]

Elements is far more than a photo touch up tool, it is very comprehensive and you can do almost everything with it that you can do with photoshop. I work in the photo industry and have done so for longer than most members have been alive here.

I'll take your word on that. Maybe I need to give Elements a try.

And yes it does come down to price. Photoshop is marketed at businesses and if your business requires it, its not a lot of money to shell out even if you are a one man photographer doing weddings or something, it pays for itself very quickly. If you are a home user and you want to use professional tools then you need to pay for them. I'll continue with the vodka analogy. I like vodka, I drink vodka. I would like to be able to afford to drink the best vodka in the world, but you know what I can't. Do I bitch that the best vodka is too expensive? No, I buy a cheaper vodka I do not steal a bottle of the best vodka.

But the fallacy of that analogy is that unlike vodka, software can be shared without any detriment to the software owner/developer. Sure you pay for the vodka you want. But suppose it was possible that I take a share your vodka, for the vodka, not because I want to steal, because I can't afford the vodka you have and such that you wouldn't have any less vodka for yourself even after sharing it with me, than would be my taking that share of vodka count as stealing. Sure according to the ways of the world, it would, but is it the same as stealing an actual vodka?

Then there is the choice. Free music with Adverts or buy the tune and don't get the adverts. People who make mods here at this site get very upset when someone else rips off the mod and claims it for themselves. Musicians make a living out of their music. I think they have a right to be paid for it. If they want to do it for free then that is their choice not yours.

I don't think anyone wants music at the detriment of the artist. As for the ad based system, I was suggesting there could be better alternatives, one of which could be a tax based system. Ads is basically another ploy at keeping the status quo going. As for the artists how much of the price off a DVD goes to the artist?

 

[smssia0112]

That's what Bollywood Stars are on TV and shows saying same and the law is very much strict this days for culprits who sell piracy.



it's shocking they are so much alerting. i was really very much shocked to see the Slumdog Millionaire DVD in market so bad it's very difficlut to get rid out of thhis crime . no-one should buy pirated cd's Dvd's

Fancy that, the producers of Slumdog Millionaire are being cheated out of money now?

I believe Indians call this karma?

Poor parents of 'Slumdog millionaire' stars say children were exploited - Telegraph

The child actors? parents have accused the hit film?s producers of exploiting and underpaying the eight-year-olds, disclosing that both face uncertain futures in one of Mumbai?s most squalid slums.

Slumdog Millionaire has won four Golden Globes and is nominated for 10 Oscars. It is on its way to making hundreds of millions of pounds in box office receipts.

The film?s British director, Danny Boyle, has spoken of how he set up trust funds for Rubina and Azharuddin and paid for their education. But it has emerged that the children, who played Latika and Salim in the early scenes of the film, were paid less than many Indian domestic servants.

Rubina was paid ?500 for a year?s work while Azharuddin received ?1,700, according to the children's parents.

 

[Leggie]

Oaky, Be honest here people. How many people here have Photoshop legally?

 

[mukund_nadkarni]

Oaky, Be honest here people. How many people here have Photoshop legally?

That's a tricky question to answer. I've already had a post deleted in this thread!

 

[smssia0112]

I don't have Photoshop legally. That doesn't mean I have it illegally.

 

[Cricketdude]

Oaky, Be honest here people. How many people here have Photoshop legally?

lol, I remember i was like going to download Photoshop I thought it was free and stuff. So on the page it said it costs $300 and trial is 30 days. So I downloaded it on a different website.

 

[King Cricket]

*JOKE* I agree, i dont buy pirate DVD's If you know what i mean.*JOKE*

I do agree with the above but i do know that its want customers want and companys havent delivered yet. They should provide movies earlier and even for free with ads etc... to make the money back.

Yeah, that's the point- I totally agree with you. I mean, look DVD and Blu-Ray discs of a particular movie-these get released 200 years after the release of the original movie. People just can't wait this long. Just imagine this scenario- a man lives in say UK, his original home is in India, gets a two weeks holiday, comes to his home, in UK he has heard of a film named, say "XYZ", but that film was not screened in UK, it was screened only in India, badly wants to see that film, hears that the theaters have stopped screening that film and it's DVD will be released 12 mths later- What choice will be left with him? Will he wait or will he just buy a pirated DVD of that film? This is the case- If the filmmakers take such a long time to release the DVD of their films what choice will be left with the common people who have missed the film somehow?- ya, buy a pirated DVD. I hope you guys understand.

King Cricket added 3 Minutes and 20 Seconds later...

Oaky, Be honest here people. How many people here have Photoshop legally?

Do you have a legal vers of Photoshop? Besides, what will the mods here do to me if I have an illegal vers? I just want to know First tell me, then I'll post the truth.

 

[Kev]

You know what. If a film gets released and I really really want to see it, I go to the cinema to see it. if I haven't been to the cinema to see it then I guess I'm not that bothered about it and can easily wait until its on DVD or On Demand on tv.

That has to be the lamest argument for pirating movies I have ever heard in my life.

 

[King Cricket]

I don't have Photoshop legally. That doesn't mean I have it illegally.

Then what does it mean? : You have it semi-legally?

King Cricket added 3 Minutes and 25 Seconds later...

You know what. If a film gets released and I really really want to see it, I go to the cinema to see it. if I haven't been to the cinema to see it then I guess I'm not that bothered about it and can easily wait until its on DVD or On Demand on tv.

That has to be the lamest argument for pirating movies I have ever heard in my life.

Say this to the guys who work in IT sectors ,software companies, and call-centres 24*7 :
And one more thing, I still haven't seen "Slumdog Millioniare" as my exams start just after three weeks and will continue till the middle of March. The theaters will most probably stop screening the film in the first week of March. So do you wish me to dump my exams and go and watch that film?

 

[Precambrian]

Except that OSS is far harder to use. The reason that Microsoft, Adobe, etc. can price their software so high is because they expend a lot of effort in user interface and interaction. In fact, these companies have whole departments dedicated to HCI.

You can't get everything as you like or the world would be utopia. But slowly but surely Kubuntu etc are certainly getting there. Maybe another 5 years who knows,

 

[Kev]

Fancy that, the producers of Slumdog Millionaire are being cheated out of money now?

I believe Indians call this karma?

Poor parents of 'Slumdog millionaire' stars say children were exploited - Telegraph

I heard about this a few weeks ago on the radio.

Honestly to me it just sounds like the parents have spent all the money and now they want more. What would have happened if they'd have been paid more? Would that have been spent already too?

I think this is quite a tricky issue but I think the producers made a fairly decent decision all in all.

Firstly the money they were paid was agreed beforehand and there was no problem then. The upfront payment is more than 3 times the average adult salary in the area. For 30 days work, that's not bad going, I wish someone would pay me 3x times my yearly salary for a months work. I wouldn't care what others were being paid.

They now have their schooling paid

They will receive money that is in a trust fund when they finish school.

I think that's a fairly responsible approach. As was said on the radio show I was listening to "We know what happens when you pay people huge sums of money too early in their life - you get Premiership footballers and nobody wants that!"

 

[mukund_nadkarni]

You know what. If a film gets released and I really really want to see it, I go to the cinema to see it. if I haven't been to the cinema to see it then I guess I'm not that bothered about it and can easily wait until its on DVD or On Demand on tv.

That has to be the lamest argument for pirating movies I have ever heard in my life.

In fact, that is what happens doesn't it? People do still throng to the theaters to see movies, don't they? Wonder what the movie studios are up in arms about. They are still making their millions, no?

 

[Kev]

I think a lot less people go to the cinema these days though. Can you blame this squarely on Piracy, no. There are many factors. But the fact remains that justifying Pirating a movie based on the fact that someone didn't go to the cinema and cant wait is utter tripe and laughable.

I'm not gonna stand here on a soap box and say "Don't ever download anything". I'm not that fussed if you download a dvd rip. Just be aware that you're actions have consequences. Especially if you are buying something that is pirated. Someone is then making money off the back of it as well as stealing it. I don't think copying a mates CD is ever going to bring down the music industry and I don't think the music industry is that bothered by it either but Piracy is big business and ultimately it does effect people who aren't involved and purchase software/movies/music legally. Everyone knows how annoying it is when you lose the bit of paper that came with the game you bought 6 months ago when you reformat. Wouldn't need the bloody thing in the first place if piracy wasn't so rife.

 

[King Cricket]

I heard about this a few weeks ago on the radio.

Honestly to me it just sounds like the parents have spent all the money and now they want more. What would have happened if they'd have been paid more? Would that have been spent already too?

I think this is quite a tricky issue but I think the producers made a fairly decent decision all in all.

Firstly the money they were paid was agreed beforehand and there was no problem then. The upfront payment is more than 3 times the average adult salary in the area. For 30 days work, that's not bad going, I wish someone would pay me 3x times my yearly salary for a months work. I wouldn't care what others were being paid.

They now have their schooling paid

They will receive money that is in a trust fund when they finish school.

I think that's a fairly responsible approach. As was said on the radio show I was listening to "We know what happens when you pay people huge sums of money too early in their life - you get Premiership footballers and nobody wants that!"

I may not agree with you regarding the piracy issue, but I totally agree with you on this. These are some greedy guys, who want more and more money. You can never satisfy their hunger.