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[coolz_hari]

I really didn't expect a lot of nensense in this thread. uff..i am tired of all these posts & personal attacks. It is better to close this thread than extending useless discussion.

i was expecting some useful news about future india's squad & upcoming cricket of india. I hope i will see that in future posts at least

 

[jkartik]

Are you claiming that burning effigies in India of players/umpires is as or more important than racism in, forget Australia, any country? As surprising as it may be, the select few unemployed, idiotic elements who have the time to burn effigies, make threats and "cause havoc" actually have no stamp on society or the day-to-day functioning.


Yes, poverty exists in India. Are you saying it is okay to ridicule India for not being able to solve its social problems to "get back" at members who have been artificially building up Yuvraj Singh's six hitting ability? That's a total low-blow. It has no relevance to the cricket being played whatsoever, and the only purpose bringing poverty into that discussion has is to garner angry remarks from Indians who don't wish to have their country's respect tossed around in mud.

If you actually started at thread on poverty in India, or generally the governance in India, I think you'd find that the majority of the Indian members in this forum would have some strong feelings against the way our country is run.

THATS SO FLIPPIN'( RIGHT !!!

people who burn effigies are those who have no jobs and many of them are in-fact unware of why their burning one !

 

[Chetan0304]

you are free to discuss all the poverty in the GENERAL CHAT thread. but bringing up the slums and the poverty in the middle of a cricket discussion just for the sake of an argument is a completely different thing !

It was actually Tom, http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/1430172-post1071.html, whatever was happening there is no issue but Tom the first peon to bring out.


I m stopping here, i respect Sohum.


Just hope India come back hard on South Africa.

 

[.::Stevo::.]

Are you claiming that burning effigies in India of players/umpires is as or more important than racism in, forget Australia, any country? As surprising as it may be, the select few unemployed, idiotic elements who have the time to burn effigies, make threats and "cause havoc" actually have no stamp on society or the day-to-day functioning.


Yes, poverty exists in India. Are you saying it is okay to ridicule India for not being able to solve its social problems to "get back" at members who have been artificially building up Yuvraj Singh's six hitting ability? That's a total low-blow. It has no relevance to the cricket being played whatsoever, and the only purpose bringing poverty into that discussion has is to garner angry remarks from Indians who don't wish to have their country's respect tossed around in mud.

If you actually started at thread on poverty in India, or generally the governance in India, I think you'd find that the majority of the Indian members in this forum would have some strong feelings against the way our country is run.


You obviously think I have a problem with banter, which if you read my posts detailing my problem with this issue, is clearly not the case. If someone told me that the Aussies will win the Border-Gavaskar trophy 3-0 and we ended up winning 2-0 I'd be first in line to show them how they were wrong. However, I wouldn't bring in comments about social problems that exist in Australia as that has nothing to do with that discussion.

Well I'm not responding to any of that as I believe you make a fantastic politician. That is, only answering what you want to answer.

The main problems i brought up are, put VERY simply, why is this only a one way street. Why are national, economic, social, historical, etc etc banter/issues accepted, in terms of Indian posts to Englishmen/Australians, or Australians to Englishmen, accepted and seen as a non-issue since you cop what you get. Yet when it happens the opposite way to Indian members, its all of a sudden a problem

 

[Will_NA]

Don't try and be an escape goat, actually read the post and the examples i included how the poverty issue you mentioned is unacceptable in a post (which i agree) yet banter against other nationalities such as alcoholism, heritage (such as the old convict thing) ARE accepted.

Ya what?

Urban Dictionary: Escape Goat

Think you mean that, mate. I agree with most of what you're saying about banter. I couldn't be bothered to read the rest as I'm lazy like that.

I will say this, the moment's over for me. It was nice to goad the Indian fans after their team had lost but it was yesterday. Their incredible disappointment at being dumped out by England of all teams (I'm assuming only Pakistan and Australia would be worse) is enough for me.

I'll also say this might be what the forum needed. It has been dead of late and this was a return to the good ol' days. Obviously, some posts weren't too clever like 'OMDHJMHJBHBFH YOUR LOT LOSTED U IS OUT UV KING OF SUCKAGE' but the banter inbetween was great.

Also, UV KING OF PIES.

 

[jkartik]

Well I'm not responding to any of that as I believe you make a fantastic politician. That is, only answering what you want to answer.

The main problems i brought up are, put VERY simply, why is this only a one way street. Why are national, economic, social, historical, etc etc banter/issues accepted, in terms of Indian posts to Englishmen/Australians, or Australians to Englishmen, accepted and seen as a non-issue since you cop what you get. Yet when it happens the opposite way to Indian members, its all of a sudden a problem

so,by what your saying... if hypothetically, i call australians racist mother****ing bastards...i wont get an infraction or a warning ??
or is it like the members who'll get back at me...their posts will be deleted ?

MAN !! i never knew indians were respected so much throughout the world !!

 

[Themer]

so,by what your saying... if hypothetically, i call australians racist motherfliping bastards...i wont get an infraction or a warning ??
or is it like the members who'll get back at me...their posts will be deleted ?

MAN !! i never knew indians were respected so much throughout the world !!

No what he means is that If during the Ashes I was to call him a dirty Australian Convict as per the stereotype thing nobody would say anything.

 

[.::Stevo::.]

so,by what your saying... if hypothetically, i call australians racist motherfliping bastards...i wont get an infraction or a warning ??
or is it like the members who'll get back at me...their posts will be deleted ?

MAN !! i never knew indians were respected so much throughout the world !!

*sigh* No, that is a complete exaggeration. Read the previous posts i wrote and you 'may' understand. But i won't hold my breathe.

 

[sohum]

The main problems i brought up are, put VERY simply, why is this only a one way street. Why are national, economic, social, historical, etc etc banter/issues accepted, in terms of Indian posts to Englishmen/Australians, or Australians to Englishmen, accepted and seen as a non-issue since you cop what you get. Yet when it happens the opposite way to Indian members, its all of a sudden a problem

I still don't see where that has appeared in the middle of a cricket discussion, though. If someone claimed Australians were racist in the middle of a cricket discussion, their post would most certainly be deleted and infracted. There have been a number of posts that have been deleted/infracted in the "Racism in Australia" thread and "Indian teenagers being brutalized" thread, many of them by Indian members.

I'm saying here that there is a difference between banter and actual social issues. One belongs in cricket discussion and the other doesn't. There is some stuff that falls in between (such as the convicts ideas) but it is done in jest and understood by both sides, compared to making a snide remark that suggests all Indians are part of an effigy-burning club and we all have idols of Dhoni sitting in our houses (mind you, I think that would make fantastic banter if understood by both sides and Indians weren't so obsessed with religion).

sohum added 1 Minutes and 34 Seconds later...

I really didn't expect a lot of nensense in this thread. uff..i am tired of all these posts & personal attacks. It is better to close this thread than extending useless discussion.

On the contrary, this thread actually features a civil and mature discussion which may actually help heal the rifts that have developed in this forum, instead of a mud-slinging match.

 

[.::Stevo::.]

No what he means is that If during the Ashes I was to call him a dirty Australian Convict as per the stereotype thing nobody would say anything.

Precisely, not that most us of Aussies are offended by that, as we give as much as we receive and enjoy a bit of banter.. Its the principle.

 

[sohum]

I'll also say this might be what the forum needed. It has been dead of late and this was a return to the good ol' days. Obviously, some posts weren't too clever like 'OMDHJMHJBHBFH YOUR LOT LOSTED U IS OUT UV KING OF SUCKAGE' but the banter inbetween was great.

Perhaps... but I think it is the 2008 India tour of Australia that really started creating this rift.

 

[coolz_hari]

sometimes pc becomes so slow. that is the reason why it became double post. sorry for that sohum.

 

[jkartik]

*sigh* No, that is a complete exaggeration. Read the previous posts i wrote and you 'may' understand. But i won't hold my breathe.

No what he means is that If during the Ashes I was to call him a dirty Australian Convict as per the stereotype thing nobody would say anything.

ahhh...forgive me for not knowing the australian stereotypes.....

but yeah....i completely agree....you guys always get the raw deal !rolleyes:

 

[.::Stevo::.]

I still don't see where that has appeared in the middle of a cricket discussion, though. If someone claimed Australians were racist in the middle of a cricket discussion, their post would most certainly be deleted and infracted. There have been a number of posts that have been deleted/infracted in the "Racism in Australia" thread and "Indian teenagers being brutalized" thread, many of them by Indian members.

I'm saying here that there is a difference between banter and actual social issues. One belongs in cricket discussion and the other doesn't. There is some stuff that falls in between (such as the convicts ideas) but it is done in jest and understood by both sides, compared to making a snide remark that suggests all Indians are part of an effigy-burning club and we all have idols of Dhoni sitting in our houses (mind you, I think that would make fantastic banter if understood by both sides and Indians weren't so obsessed with religion).

Now we are getting somewhere!

So how are issues such labeling Indians as effigy burners, differ from labeling all Australians dirty convicts just because we don't have strong religious believes? I don't understand how they are connected?

Another example is. Why is it i could call a Englishmen, "a tea drinking pom" but can't call an Indian a curry muncher? (although i expect the answer to be because of conflicting races)

 

[Themer]

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/1430172-post1071.html

I am extremely disappointed by this. we always this about others feelings .

Tbh I think that Tom may have just overstepped the line with that remark as it was slightly insensitive, but the majority of what was said during that thread last night and this morn in my eyes was acceptable, that I could see ofcourse I don't know if any/how many posts were deleted.