New Zealand

[age of the fall]

Come on Kiwis, lets up the chat a bit.

Done well in the warm up's so far. A win against India will give us a lot of momentum

 

[Ari]

Tonights game should be interesting they will probably go with the team they plan to use for most the tournament.

1: Ryder
2: B.McCullum
3: Guptil
4: Taylor
5: Styris/Broom
6: Oram
7: Franklin
8: N.McCullum
9: Vettori
10: Butler/Diamanti/Mills
11: O'Brien

This is not my team but what I think they will go with for tonights game against India. Mills has not played in any warm up games so I think he must be carrying an injury of some kind. Franklin has done enough with the ball in the warm up games so far that he will be there as a full time all rounder. They seem to like picking teams that can bat deep and have plenty of bowling options and that team above certainly has that.

I also think Ryder needs to start scoring some T20 runs because if he fails in the warm ups we could easily put Guptil up to open with McCullum and then add McGlashan into the middle order.

 

[aussie1st]

Ryder failed again, his spot must be coming under increasing pressure now. The positive is NZ again beat India so they could be developing a mental edge over them which should come in handy for the Super 8s and possible the finals.

Taylor and McCullum are looking in good form so far, Franklin very impressive with the bat, just need Oram to fire with the bat.

 

[Ari]

Was spot on with the lineup Styris did better than I thought but I am not sold on him being in the team. However it seems like it will be him or Broom in that number 5/6 slot and Broom is still very much an unknown. Very happy with Franklin's batting he did what we are so use to seeing from Oram, huge clean striking. Overall I am quite happy with the batting and if we get Mills in for O'Brien we will bat all the way down to 11.

Bowling is more of a concern Vettori was class as usual but if he has a bad day we could be in trouble. Oram did very well which is just about the opposite of what normaly happens in T20 with his bowling. Our strike bowlers tend to be a tad to expensive which could cost us at the business end of the tournament.

The team I would take into the Australian game and if all goes well the first group game:

1: B.McCullum
2: Ryder (Last chance if he fails get Guptil opening and McGlashan into the middle order)
3: Guptil
4: Taylor
5: Oram (I like him coming in early just to get set)
6: Styris (Less of an unknown than Broom)
7: Franklin
8: N.McCullum
9: Vettori
10: Butler
11: O'Brien/Mills (Depending on Mills fitness)

 

[aussie1st]

The bowling certainly is a worry with Vettori the only one that you could say with confidence that he will give you a good spell. The rest look like they could go for a few runs.

 

[Howsie]

I watched the game this morning and I thought New Zealand look pretty ordinary to be honest. McCullum didn't look that great, Ryder made nothing, Guptill didn't get going, and the bowling apart from Oram and Vettori was pretty poor. After watching the warm-up game I don't think O'Brien should be playing, he will be hammered around if he does. This would be my team:

1.McCullum
2.Ryder
3.Guptill
4.Taylor
5.Oram
6.Franklin(He looked really good)
7.Broom/Styris/McGlashan
8.McCullum
9.Mills
10.Butler
11.Vettori

That team looks pretty out of it I know but Franklin and Oram have to have a few overs to get going, they would be able to score a lot quicker then Styris, Broom and McGlashan I feel.

 

[CG123]

Firstly very disappointed about the Australia game, should of done a lot better after a good win against India day before. Really we still got another warm up against Scotland (I don't think they will really challenge us) before it starts against SA. I personally don't agree on these bits and pieces players like diamanti, mccullum and butler but i think they will continue to use them. (used 8 bowlers against india...)

Not really sure what line-up to see against Scotland but against SA i think it should look something like this:

1. B. McCullum - probably wicket keeper but mcglashan might get the nod if hes playing
2. J. Ryder
3. M. Guptill
4. R. Taylor - top 4 will probably just pick themselves
5. S. Styris - done enough in the warm up games (Oram depending on situation)
6. J. Oram - May get bumped up ahead of Styris)
7. P. McGlashan - i would like to see Mcglashan but we may see N. McCullum here
8. J. Franklin - i feel he will be in the side not really sure to bat him
9. D. Vettori - Captain
10. I. Butler - K. Mills if fit, but must be carrying an injury as hasn't played in any warm-ups
11. I. O'Brien

players i have not piked are N. Broom and B. Diamanti, they may play against Scotland and if they play well get moved into the side but i feel they were both fringe selections anyway and don't see them playing the big games.

I would personally like to see more specialist bowlers in the squad not picked on how well they can bat. In a T20 your number 8-11 should not need to bat if your top order are good enough and have done the job.

 

[aussie1st]

McGlashan will get the gig I suspect after his 49 against us. Same with Styris plus your selectors seem to love him. Franklin would be a bit low at 8 but the guys above him can do a good job so he will give extra batting depth. The lineup you listed looks like what the selectors will go with.

 

[Ari]

Some difficult choices to be made now. For me Ryder has to be dropped he has done nothing in T20 cricket and his horribly out of form. Oram is a big concern too, batting form has been terrible and even though he bowled well against India it was more typical Oram T20 bowling against Australia today. McGlashan has been in great form for awhile now and with his style of batting teams won't figure him out this tournament he should be starting.

1: B.McCullum
2: Guptil
3: Taylor
4: Styris
5: Oram
6: Franklin
7: McGlashan
8: N.McCullum
9: Mills (If he is still unfit play O'Brien)
10: Butler
11: Vettori

Everyone can bat, win the toss bowl first. Chasing is what we do best and it is overated how much the pitch changes during the course of a T20 game anyway.

 

[Howsie]

I would go with:

1.McCullum
2.Guptill
3.Ryder
4.Taylor
5.Styris
6.Franklin
7.McGlashan
8.N.McCullum
9.Mills/O'Brien
10.Butler
11.Vettori

Don't really know how I feel about that team to be honest, Oram really should be in over Nathan McCullum but I can't see Oram scoring any runs. Franklin has to bat at six I feel, maybe seven depending on whats happening. I would like to see Guptill open but I can't see us doing that, Ryder might just need a change.

 

[irottev]

Guess who's back. Who missed me?

My XI

B McCullum
Ryder
Guptill
Taylor
Styris (Good to see he's in form)
Oram
Franklin
N McCullum
Butler
Vettori
O'Brien


Pretty standard really. I think 2 spinners is crucial, even if N Mc doesn't bowl all 4 we have 8 bowling options so it won't be an issue. Butler and O'Brien are wicket takers. O'Brien can go for runs but he does take wickets. Oram is too good a player to omt, even if in bad form. He adds a lot. If it's not his game with the bat it may be with the ball. I'd at least play him in the group and if he's in ratchet form he could be dropped for perhaps Mills. Mills to NOT bowl in powerplay or at the death though.

 

[nz0003]

Some difficult choices to be made now. For me Ryder has to be dropped he has done nothing in T20 cricket and his horribly out of form. Oram is a big concern too, batting form has been terrible and even though he bowled well against India it was more typical Oram T20 bowling against Australia today. McGlashan has been in great form for awhile now and with his style of batting teams won't figure him out this tournament he should be starting.

1: B.McCullum
2: Guptil
3: Taylor
4: Styris
5: Oram
6: Franklin
7: McGlashan
8: N.McCullum
9: Mills (If he is still unfit play O'Brien)
10: Butler
11: Vettori

Everyone can bat, win the toss bowl first. Chasing is what we do best and it is overated how much the pitch changes during the course of a T20 game anyway.

Ryder missing is an absolute joke, have you forgotten how he tears up attacks, hes just a bit out of form.

Hes almost a better bowler than Franklin FFS.

My team would be:

1. McCullum
2. Ryder
3. Guptill
4. Taylor
5. Styris
6. Oram
7. McGlashen
8. Nathan Mac/Franklin
9. Butler
10. Mills
11. Vettori

 

[irottev]

To be fair, Franklin has been great in the warm-ups with bat AND ball.

 

[Howsie]

Guess who's back. Who missed me?

My XI

B McCullum
Ryder
Guptill
Taylor
Styris (Good to see he's in form)
Oram
Franklin
N McCullum
Butler
Vettori
O'Brien




Pretty standard really. I think 2 spinners is crucial, even if N Mc doesn't bowl all 4 we have 8 bowling options so it won't be an issue. Butler and O'Brien are wicket takers. O'Brien can go for runs but he does take wickets. Oram is too good a player to omt, even if in bad form. He adds a lot. If it's not his game with the bat it may be with the ball. I'd at least play him in the group and if he's in ratchet form he could be dropped for perhaps Mills. Mills to NOT bowl in powerplay or at the death though.

Yay Irottev's back

That team looks pretty good, it's what most people are suspecting I guess. Frankln needs to be a floater though, it's a must we get him in with atleast five overs too smack it around abit.

 

[irottev]

Agreed with Franklin, he's the new Oram to be honest. McGlashan has been going well, but I guess the disadvantage with that is that McCullum will end up not keeping, which I think is a bad thing. Also Oram bowls a little, even if he gets smacked around half the time, the other half the time he can be economical and handy.

Wish we coulda had Bond. If we had Bond we'd be SERIOUS contenders. I'd honestly think we'd have the best side if we could keep the XI on the park. Good to hear he's being welcomed back though. Now it's up to him to say he's up for it.