Pakistan might not play WC in India

[SaiSrini]

The 2011 World Cup, scheduled in the sub-continent, ran into fresh trouble with a senior cricket board official in Karachi indicating that
Pakistan might decline to play its matches in India.

Pakistan may reject playing 2011 World Cup matches in India*-*News*-*News*-*Cricket on Times of India

Looks like Pakistan might be forfeiting quite a lot of matches and wont be surprised if they do not play the World Cup at all. Taking on India at such a big event is stupid to the core. Even if Pakistan might be right in their stance, its not sensible for them to go in this route. With the current power that India has, they can potentially wipe out Pakistan cricket from the world cricket map.

Hope they take a sensible decision and not let their egos come in their way

 

[SciD]

Does PCB wanna live.

 

[Cricketman]

They were going to get out in the first round anyways.

 

[McLOVIN]

^ along with India just like the last time?

 

[max_dillon2007]

PCB is behaving like a small boy who has lost his candy. They should not take on BCCI, As if they care bout them. BCCI has the power to isolate pakistan in which case they wont even get to play games on neutral venues.

But i sincerely wish pakistan to pull out of WC, as this might open the gates for Afganistan. I am dying to see them playing against a test nation. A team created not long ago has come so far in just a year. They might have failed to gain WC spot but they have gained the ODI status. I heard bout a player named "Gulam Khan" Who is considered to be the fastest bowler in non test playing countries. Cricinfo has an article on him wher they say he was clocked 95mph in MCC in Nets. So minnow or no minnow, 95 Mph is serious pace. With someone like him they can hope for upsetting some complacent Test Nations.

 

[Insomniac]

I'm not surprised you want Pakistan out of the WC.... and people call me racist and having an agenda against India and blah blah blah.

Anyway, our country has declared India an unsafe country - they can barely provide security for Pakistani journalists in the country who are attacked by Hindi extremists, and we expect them to be able to protect our cricket team?

Our concerns are legit, simply in present climate, (that is, the WC was to take place now) it would not be safe for the Pakistan team to go to India. And besides, exactly what else do the BCCI plan to do? They can move an entire tournament to South Africa, but can't reinstate Pakistan players?

Hmm. BCCI hasn't done us any favors, and I really don't see what else they can possibly do. Teams can't refuse to host us, or refuse to play us at neutral venues under the FTP.

zMario added 1 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

Also, just saying, it hasn't been said how many more matches India will get, but I think a very good idea is to move Pakistan's games to the UAE - and easy flights in and out of UAE especially from Dubai to India, Colombo, and Dhaka.

If only the idiots at the ICC can realize this..

 

[ZexyZahid]

First: because of the security issues current Pakistani players weren't allowed to play in the IPL. They couldn't protect their safety. So I don't understand why the schedule must be set that Pakistan plays in India, because there are two other options (Sri Lanka and Bangladesh). And there are two years from now, so the schedule could be easily arranged.

Then to think, the whole tournament might be called off from Asia.

Second: you might try finding the same topic in respectable newssites, instead of Times of India and then coming up with the news.

 

[vaibhav mehta]

Anyway, our country has declared India an unsafe country - they can barely provide security for Pakistani journalists in the country who are attacked by Hindi extremists, and we expect them to be able to protect our cricket team?

We would abuse India together, if you provide me some neutral news link.
Do you think that there would be same amount of security for Cricket team and journalists?

 

[Insomniac]

We would abuse India together, if you provide me some neutral news link.
Do you think that there would be same amount of security for Cricket team and journalists?

Indian Religious Extremists Attack Pakistani Journalists | GroundReport

Hindu extremists attack Pak journalists in India (well not neutral, but w/e)

Forget that, I found a video - pakistani journalist attacked in new delhi | NowPublic Video Archives

Seems people were more interested in capturing the incident than helping - this during a Pakistan-Indian journalists conference.

"Is Media Jingoism Fanning Indo-Pak Tensions?" was the title of the conference I believe.

washingtonpost.com

zMario added 1 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...

Regarding the security for the cricket team and journalists... yes, I'd expect added security, but I still can't see it happening - a better decision will have to be taken 6 months from the tournament, when we can clearly assess what kind of threats may be posed to our team. But definitely, if the tournament was to take place soon (6 months), Pakistan would not be playing any of its games in India.

 

[SaiSrini]

First: because of the security issues current Pakistani players weren't allowed to play in the IPL. They couldn't protect their safety. So I don't understand why the schedule must be set that Pakistan plays in India, because there are two other options (Sri Lanka and Bangladesh). And there are two years from now, so the schedule could be easily arranged.

Then to think, the whole tournament might be called off from Asia.

Second: you might try finding the same topic in respectable newssites, instead of Times of India and then coming up with the news.

I saw it in Times of India, which I consider a reliable news site. Unless the site is blacklisted from PC, I will post from there. Most of their news, I find it trustworthy.

I posted with genuine concern. A world cup without Pakistan isnt fun. Someone talked about the IPL. Our general elections needs more security. They didnt shift it because they could not provide security to the cricketers. The security was not available because its all being used up for the elections. If people dont understand, its their problem. If the security is available, India can absolutely guarantee 100% security to the players which Pakistan cant (we saw how the SL players were attacked inspite of the tour going through after serious tensions). England left the country after they heard a news of a hotel being attacked, where they had stayed some 7-8 days ago.

Pakistan's decision seems to be more of ego. They are clearly irritated that India is not being punished for Mumbai 26/11 whereas they are being punished. But Mumbai 26/11 does not compare to whats been happening in Pakistan for so long now. And the attack on the cricketers was the death knell.

 

[Insomniac]

The Times of India cannot be considered a respectable news outlet, after running a story about Mohammad Yousuf being drunk in 2007 and other questionable stories I have seen.

But, I can say that there is a truth to this story - Javed Miandad mentioned this on Geo, and it is almost obvious that Pakistanis will probably not be as safe in India as they would in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

I doubt Pakistanis are being welcomed to India with "open arms"... and presently I think I am qualified to say that it is definitely not in Pakistan's interests to tour / go to India (if the WC was to be held now).

Not an ego issue in present climate. Oh, and the difference between 26/11 and 3/3 is that we were able to save them, while if England were in the Taj during the Mumbai ODI (if the dates were right), then India might not be hosting cricket for the next 20 years.

What turned out well (if there is a positive out of all this) for Pakistan is that our security was able to save the cricketers, and it could have turned out a lot worse - and everyday I'm thankful it wasn't worse.

 

[Cricketman]

YOUR SECURITY was cowering playing dead while the terrorist walked away casually. THERE WAS NO SECURITY. The only reason the Sri Lankans got away was by sheer luck (a grenade thrown into the bus didn't explode, iirc) and the courage of the driver. So please, don't give me that nonsense.

And did you not see all the people trying to break up the fight and help out the guy in the video? Tensions are high and stupid people do stupid things. Don't you remember back after 9/11 in the US, where hundreds of muslims and sikhs, anyone who 'looked like a terrorist', were shot and killed in hate crimes? This stuff happens everywhere, and it is a small incident in comparison the murder, so don't lump us with all that crap.

Anyway, our country has declared India an unsafe country - they can barely provide security for Pakistani journalists in the country who are attacked by Hindi extremists, and we expect them to be able to protect our cricket team?

Again, one person doing a stupid thing. We couldn't provide security for a gay/drunk guy kissing Ricky Ponting either, sue us.

And seriously, you can't compare a small time journalist with a cricket team, especially in India. ofc they're going to get all the security they need.

And Pakistan can declare India whatever the hell they want, because right now it's like Chris Martin calling Bradman a bad batsman (Like the cricket reference? )

Not an ego issue in present climate. Oh, and the difference between 26/11 and 3/3 is that we were able to save them, while if England were in the Taj during the Mumbai ODI (if the dates were right), then India might not be hosting cricket for the next 20 years.

No, security would have been a lot higher for the England team. We can't always have an emergency response team, the army, and commandos guarding every single person in every single part of the city. But if the England team was there, additional precautions would have definitely been made.

Our concerns are legit, simply in present climate, (that is, the WC was to take place now) it would not be safe for the Pakistan team to go to India. And besides, exactly what else do the BCCI plan to do? They can move an entire tournament to South Africa, but can't reinstate Pakistan players?

Pak players couldn't come back simply because replacement stars had already been bought, and the Pak contracts had been put on hold/terminated.

It was a dick move, I agree, but that's business.

Hmm. BCCI hasn't done us any favors, and I really don't see what else they can possibly do. Teams can't refuse to host us, or refuse to play us at neutral venues under the FTP.

Ofc they can. If relations between India-Pakistan heat up even more, the govs will certainly interfere and call off the cricket. This happened a few years ago, Kargil war time I think.

 

[Insomniac]

YOUR SECURITY was cowering playing dead while the terrorist walked away casually. THERE WAS NO SECURITY. The only reason the Sri Lankans got away was by sheer luck (a grenade thrown into the bus didn't explode, iirc) and the courage of the driver. So please, don't give me that nonsense.

And did you not see all the people trying to break up the fight and help out the guy in the video? Tensions are high and stupid people do stupid things. Don't you remember back after 9/11 in the US, where hundreds of muslims and sikhs, anyone who 'looked like a terrorist', were shot and killed in hate crimes? This stuff happens everywhere, and it is a small incident in comparison the murder, so don't lump us with all that crap.



Again, one person doing a stupid thing. We couldn't provide security for a gay/drunk guy kissing Ricky Ponting either, sue us.

And seriously, you can't compare a small time journalist with a cricket team, especially in India. ofc they're going to get all the security they need.

And Pakistan can declare India whatever the hell they want, because right now it's like Chris Martin calling Bradman a bad batsman (Like the cricket reference? )



No, security would have been a lot higher for the England team. We can't always have an emergency response team, the army, and commandos guarding every single person in every single part of the city. But if the England team was there, additional precautions would have definitely been made.



Pak players couldn't come back simply because replacement stars had already been bought, and the Pak contracts had been put on hold/terminated.

It was a dick move, I agree, but that's business.



Ofc they can. If relations between India-Pakistan heat up even more, the govs will certainly interfere and call off the cricket. This happened a few years ago, Kargil war time I think.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE GUNS!

They weren't even part of the security entourage. They were damn traffic cops, what the hell were they suppoused to do? They haven't been trained for this, hell I'm better trained than a traffic cop at security.

I can see why he did that, what's he gonna do? Hard to blame him. Secondly, yes the bus driver was courageous, but he's been trained in the security protocol, he drives the bus in Karachi and in Lahore and wherever else visiting team goes.

Can't say he's a normal civilian either.

Yes, its a small incident, but with Pakistan hate on the rise in India (and vice versa in Pakistan) I would want higher security. Of course, I really don't know what kind of agenda your political parties have, but as I understand the situation, this was staged by a political party and not by some random people.

And I think we are allowed to declare India an unsafe country, because I highly doubt any random ordinary Pakistani would survive too long in the streets of Mumbai. I really don't see it happening.

 

[Cricketman]

Uh, lol, I actually have neighbors back in Chennai who moved from Pakistan. My uncles best friend, practically a brother, is a Pakistani living in Delhi. The Pakistan hate isn't as much as you think, maybe it's just you.

So I don't know what you're saying.

Lol, you're saying that police officers didn't have the balls to fend off terrorists but a damn bus driver knew what to do when rocket launchers are aimed at him?

Cricketman added 4 Minutes and 4 Seconds later...

Also, how did the terrorists just walk away after unleashing they're AK47s? Wasn't their security WITH the players to take them down? What were they doing?

 

[shravi]

Leave it, Rohit. He's not going to stop. You're not going to stop. It's a stalemate.