Sureshot: Let me just ask you this (imagine your the head of a company): If you know that I will never buy your product and have not taken anything physical from you but have downloaded your product would you do anything about it? In other words, would you be annoyed at me for getting this product through a download even though you know I will not sell it or will never buy it?
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mukund_nadkarni
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But how do you arrive at that conclusion? I mean how do they hold the same rights?
Harrypotter_fan
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But you shouldn't enjoy the product's benefits if you didn't pay for it.
That it is illegal in both cases to own it without paying for it, and that piracy is treated the same as stealing from someone...
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Piracy only decreases sales. You decreased it by 1 even though you should've bought it if you wanted to use it.
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khan31 said:
That's the flaw. When you buy a software, you don't pay for the box or the CD. You pay for the software.
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khan31 said:
I'm sure Sureshot would follow my drift, and if that happens to me I'd hell be annoyed about it. Its HOW I MAKE A LIVING, its my way of being alive, this is my basic income. Its not something I do in my past time. You deprived me of the money. Even if you won't buy it I'd say buy it or leave it - I'm not bothered. But when you steal it you get away for free.
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khan31 said:
So what do the other people pay for when they buy a game, box and CD?
: Then why do people buy on Steam?There are no free lunches. Those few hours of enjoyment, you got them for free, which you should've bought. So its stealing. Someone put in their valuable time to give you those few hours of enjoyment, and he makes a living out of it. Go out and watch a movie in the cinema, that also gives a few hours of enjoyment, but it costs money. Its not like I can go and watch the movie in the cinema for free just because I'm not gaining anything physically / financially from it. I'm not going to sell the movie after watching it either.
mukund_nadkarni
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Given a situation where I don't have enough money to buy the software you made, what would you rather do Kshitiz? Let me have it because I couldn't have bought it anyways or deny it to me because as you said there are no free lunches? And if the answer is the latter then pray tell me why should I care about your livelihood if you are not considerate yourself?
Morality you see is a double edged sword, it cuts both ways.
FreddieFan
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You are being utterly ridiculous. If I lock my car at night to prevent it from being stolen by someone who cannot afford one, am I being inconsiderate?
Consideration does not extend to condoning theft in any situation.
mukund_nadkarni
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Firstly, the question I asked is based on another point Kshitiz made. So in just taking one part of the question without reference to the point made earlier, you are taking the question out of context.
That apart care to explain how the situation you quoted is analogous to the example I gave?
FreddieFan
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If you look, you'll see the claim I made was aimed at any circumstances. For this reason, context is irrelevent by definition.
Analogies between stealing a car and stealing software:
- They both cost money to make
- They both cost money to buy
- If you didn't have enough money, you wouldn't have either legally
- People's incomes rely on both being sold for a price
- Supply and demand will define the price of both
- Theft will result in a loss of income
- Attempts are made to stop both being stolen
- These attempts are not always successful
- People have gone to prison for stealing both and more people will in the future
In fact, the only difference I can see between the situations is the one you are relying on:
- Stealing software is a lot easier than stealing a car and I'm far less likely to get caught and punished for it
In England, whenever you go to the cinema, an advert runs before the film. The text runs something like this:
"You wouldn't steal a car. You wouldn't steal a handbag. You wouldn't steal a movie. Would you? Piracy is theft."
The only real difference, apart from the one highlighted above, is that the victim is harder to see when downloading software illegally than snatching a handbag from an old woman in the street. It doesn't make it any less wrong.
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Highlander999
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This is what Ian is talking about (Aussie Version)
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FreddieFan
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Thanks Tom. Didn't occur to me anyone would bother putting it on youtube!
mukund_nadkarni
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Thanks for the help Tom!
As for being out of context, you have made a statement that you say is independent of context, yet when I made the previous post it was definitely in context with Kshitiz's post. I'm merely taking Kshitiz's reasoning to it's logical conclusion. That if expecting other people to respect his right to earn a livelihood is correct then it is only fair to expect a similar response from him. This of course isn't applicable if you have already concluded that piracy is theft.
Ultimately it boils down to whether you think piracy is stealing, which I certainly don't think it is. In your book it is obviously not a debatable point whether piracy is stealing or not. For me it is. I guess that's what the debate is about. I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
As for being out of context, you have made a statement that you say is independent of context, yet when I made the previous post it was definitely in context with Kshitiz's post. I'm merely taking Kshitiz's reasoning to it's logical conclusion. That if expecting other people to respect his right to earn a livelihood is correct then it is only fair to expect a similar response from him. This of course isn't applicable if you have already concluded that piracy is theft.
Ultimately it boils down to whether you think piracy is stealing, which I certainly don't think it is. In your book it is obviously not a debatable point whether piracy is stealing or not. For me it is. I guess that's what the debate is about. I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
FreddieFan
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Thanks for the help Tom!
As for being out of context, you have made a statement that you say is independent of context, yet when I made the previous post it was definitely in context with Kshitiz's post.
You misunderstand. Since I said my statements was true in any circumstances, the context in which they were used does not matter. As in, my statements holds whatever context the statement was used in.
As to your point that this is not a debate, you are quite right. The past god knows how many pages of this thread have been various people trying to convince you that you are wrong - it is fact. Opinions do not apply here, any more than I can pick and choose which laws to follow and which to ignore.
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Highlander999
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I actually found more vids, saying they have pirated the music from that ad from a song by The Prodigy
