The VB Series 2006

[James219]

Couldn't agree more. He's a quality batsmen who is a good foil for the rest of the Australian top/middle order that is comprised predominantly of aggressive stroke-makers (Gilchrist,Ponting,Clarke,Symonds etc). There is no question that Phil Jacques deserves a consistent crack at the big time, but I can't see a reason to drop Kato.

ODI records.

Katich 32.0avg 73.44 S/R
Sangakarra 34.98 avg 73.08 S/R
Fleming 32.03 avg 70.71 S/R

Fleming and Sangakarra are often thought of as pre-eminent ODI batsmen, yet their averages are modest, and comporable to the 'boring' Katich, does anyone care to explain the double standard?

And you don't have to make a ton to be making a contribution, particularly when you are facing the new ball. If you have the luxury of a number of explosive batsmen in your top five (as Australia do with Gilchrist, Ponting and Symonds) there's nothing wrong with having a guy at the other end that strikes it around 75 and will provide a consistently stable presence, and that's what Katich has provided in recent history.

Katich's ODI record since last VB Series (most recent first).

52, 19, 0, 60, 2, 36, 54, 47, 58, 30, 36*, 5, 43, 58, 0, 5, 9, 0, 76, 38.


I personally believe Jacques may be a better ODI batsmen, but not neccessarily a better fit for our top order.

Well think about it seriously, Sangakarra and Fleming have played far more games than Katich, hence more difficult to uphold a high average... And they both have more pressure on themselves as Fleming is the captain of a relatively unsuccesful side of late, and Sangakarra keeps, bats in the top order and is frequently relied upon. Yes you're right a strike rate of 75 is very healthy, but he doesn't keep the middle order together on a regular enough basis. And Jaques isn't as flamboyant and irrational as you assume, he's actually a pretty responsible batsman if the situation calls. If Katich doesn't stand up soon the selectors will have little choice.

 

[ajay2k5]

Katich has to go, not because he does not score runs, because he scores them way way to slow. We need a more attacking player to open.

 

[tsyrmas]

Couldn't agree more. He's a quality batsmen who is a good foil for the rest of the Australian top/middle order that is comprised predominantly of aggressive stroke-makers (Gilchrist,Ponting,Clarke,Symonds etc). There is no question that Phil Jacques deserves a consistent crack at the big time, but I can't see a reason to drop Kato.

ODI records.

Katich 32.0avg 73.44 S/R
Sangakarra 34.98 avg 73.08 S/R
Fleming 32.03 avg 70.71 S/R

Fleming and Sangakarra are often thought of as pre-eminent ODI batsmen, yet their averages are modest, and comporable to the 'boring' Katich, does anyone care to explain the double standard?

And you don't have to make a ton to be making a contribution, particularly when you are facing the new ball. If you have the luxury of a number of explosive batsmen in your top five (as Australia do with Gilchrist, Ponting and Symonds) there's nothing wrong with having a guy at the other end that strikes it around 75 and will provide a consistently stable presence, and that's what Katich has provided in recent history.

Katich's ODI record since last VB Series (most recent first).

52, 19, 0, 60, 2, 36, 54, 47, 58, 30, 36*, 5, 43, 58, 0, 5, 9, 0, 76, 38.


I personally believe Jacques may be a better ODI batsmen, but not neccessarily a better fit for our top order.

thankyou for your support. so i'm not alone on this!

Katich has to go, not because he does not score runs, because he scores them way way to slow. We need a more attacking player to open.

is Giclhrist a peice of cheese? why is everyone obessingover Katich being slow, when he isn't. his strike rate is mid 70's for one day cricket! and with Martyn batting the way he is at the moment, having a batting order of Gilly
jaques/cosgrove
Ponting
Martyn
Symonds

seems way to risky, Katich is solid and keeps it together, allowing others to play their shots. he serves his purpous, and it is an important role! he has a good 6 or 7 years left in him, is relatively injury free, and is a quality batsmen with an important part in australia's success in one day cricket

 

[Cricket_60]

I also don't understand why people continue to say he is bad. He is one of the only Aussies players atm that is relatively consistent. You can usually rely on him to get a start and help the innings.

 

[aussie1st]

I personally believe Jacques may be a better ODI batsmen, but not neccessarily a better fit for our top order.

There is a saying that goes "Assumptions are the mother of all f*** ups" I tend to agree and what you are saying is an assumption. Have we tried Jaques with Gilly, Ponting and Martyn? No!
When is the WC? 1 year away!

We have seen what Katich can do with this lineup and now Jaques deserves his shot. If he fails Katich then Katich basically has the opening role. If he performs then the selectors will have to decide who did the better job opening.

 

[irottev]

You should know not to judge NZ batsman by their batting averages. Every single batsman in the team is better then their average suggests. Especially VIncent. Go look at his shocking average and strike rate.

Fleming scores at about 80 strike rate these days mostly.

 

[Sureshot]

If you're looking at ODIs, not many ODI averagea really reflects the batsmans ability.

For example. Afridi 24, Vaughan 28, Flintoff 30 (iirc), etc.

 

[BigCrickNan]

This might be a bit stupid.. but has Hayden retired from ODI's or something?

 

[James219]

He hasn't retired, he's just not been selected since the ODI's in England. He still plays domestic ING cricket for Queensland though.
Anyway, Katich does score at a good rate and is a quality player, his pace isn't the concern. Maintaining it through the innings is, keeping his wicket intact to prevent a middle order collapse consistently or atleast rotating the strike to switch momentums. He's not bad at this, but Jaques is more effective and deserves a fair chance. Scoring constant 20's and 30's is not always getting you off to a good start, it doesn't provide a solid enough foundation for the middle order to work upon. But we'll see how he goes for the remainder of the series.

 

[kodos]

Hayden is still a quality ODI player but i seriously don't see him making a return. If he was seleced ahead of Jaques than Jaques must think the selectors are treating him like s***.

 

[tsyrmas]

Katich has a very good oppurtunity today playing in perth, because he spent so much of career there.

 

[aussie1st]

Well if he fails here he should be "rested" and Jaques given a go because there will be nothing slow about the WACA pitch. If he succeed I don't think Jaques will be getting a go anytime soon.

 

[tsyrmas]

and lets hope the latter is the case. exactly why should he be "rested though"? its not like hes had a bad series

 

[sachin]

What really bugs me,is the fact that the game doesn't start till like 4:00 or 5:00 PM!Bloody hell!We'll be up till 12,1 in the morning.

 

[aussie1st]

and lets hope the latter is the case. exactly why should he be "rested though"? its not like hes had a bad series

Ok rotated is a better word. As if Jaques is going to prove that he can form a better partnership with Gilly he needs to be rotated into the opening role.

Don't know what you are complaining about sachin I have to stay up to 2am lol. But I'm use to it cause most ODI games finish at 12am.