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White in this form would be wasted down the order, ideally I'd keep him opening but hard to do that over Finch and Warner.

Yes this is one of the problems. Your Top 3 in T20 score all the runs and therefore when you go to pick a 'best of' side for Australia you end up with a lot of guys who like top 3. Bailey's about the only guy who wouldn't want to bat there in that side you've named. Wade, Watson and Maxwell would want to be there as well if they could. Ultimately I think they should try and identify batsmen who will do well against certain bowlers and try to keep the order flexible.

That glut of top order players is also why the word came out last week that Hodge was being looked at as a finisher for the World Cup team. Decent idea, but I couldn't believe they raised this idea ONE DAY after Chris Lynn came in and tonked 30-odd in the last 5 overs. Nice for Hodgey, but big slap in the face for Lynn I would have thought. One day you're going well on debut, after a good big bash. Next you're down the order below a 39 year old.
 

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And now Chris Lynn not even playing! Have to feel for the lad. Hope he can keep his confidence up.

Australia have almost wasted that first powerplay, far too much backing away from Finch & White.
 

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Dernbach series figures 11-0-141-1. Does he have relatives running the ECB or something?
 

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Australia have posted a good score in the end thanks to late some late hitting from George Bailey. Cameron White again looked solid at the top of the order scoring 41 runs from 37 balls and should be close to next in line in the one day and test match arena. Aaron Finch helped get Australia going with 30 off 21 balls. Glenn Maxwell was disappointing once again scoring 14 off 7 balls at a quick pace but he couldn't go on and make a big score. Moving Ben Cutting up the order to number 4 wasn't a bad move because 29 off only 16 balls isn't bad at all in a T20 match. Brad Hodge and Daniel Christian didn't do anything of note with scores of 7 and 0. Dropping Chris Lynn was a mistake in my opinion his debut was nothing to sneeze at. George Bailey showcased his big hitting again tonight with 49 not out off 20 balls and really helped Australia to 195 when we looking at a score of more around 150. Matthew Wade chipped in well at the end with 19 runs from 10 balls.

If Australia bowl well this score should be able to be defended comfortably. That would mean a 3-0 series win to Australia and it would be a good way to really rub it into England before they fly back home. England will need at least one batsmen to get off to a flyer to win this match.
 

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Feels like Maxwell is better suited to down the order with a few overs to go to come and smash it. Nice innovation with Cutting up the order, the Heat could learn a thing or two from that.
 

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Maxwell is a great finisher. I wouldn't be batting him any higher than 6.

There's a big difference in the value of a quickfire 20 between the number 3 and the number 6
 

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Fantastic bowling display from the Australian bowlers. Everyone that bowled picked up a wicket and made sure the pressure was on England from the start. Nathan Coulter-Nile kept up his impressive form in the T20s with 4 overs 2 wickets at 5.25 an over. Glenn Maxwell kept up his knack of taking wickets with figures of 4 overs 2 wickets at 7.75 an over. The young leg spinner James Muirhead put in another good performance with 2 overs 2 wickets at 6.50 an over. He has certainly been a good find for Australia and it looks like he will have a big international career for Australia.

It was another disappointing match for England and they will be glad to be leaving Australia. I thought England would play a lot better and for them to lose 12-1 all up it sums up how bad they were. Cricket is a funny game though and with some time, patience and the right players selected I expect them to bounce back.

For the Australians we turn our attention to South Africa. This will be a huge challenge and we will have to play even better cricket than we did against England to have any chance of beating South Africa in their own backyard.
 

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Dernbach series figures 11-0-141-1. Does he have relatives running the ECB or something?

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What an innings by George Bailey! He has had amazing last year or so that has completely changed his position in the team. From "why him" to "why not him" in all the 3 formats. As much brilliant the past few months have been for him, his ability to hit the ball in the V is. Very very impressed the way he batted in the last T20I, particularly impressed with his ability to find the gap at the cow corner.
 

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I would like to take this opportunity to offer my thanks to the Australian team for the way they've taken Dernbach apart in this series. This should surely be the last we see of him.

I mean, if you guys had taken it easy on him, we probably never would have gotten rid. It was quite special today, bowling 2 overs for 12 and then getting thumped at the end. Made me laugh when someone on commentary termed Dernbach as the 'death specialist'.
 

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Yes this is one of the problems. Your Top 3 in T20 score all the runs and therefore when you go to pick a 'best of' side for Australia you end up with a lot of guys who like top 3. Bailey's about the only guy who wouldn't want to bat there in that side you've named. Wade, Watson and Maxwell would want to be there as well if they could. Ultimately I think they should try and identify batsmen who will do well against certain bowlers and try to keep the order flexible.

That glut of top order players is also why the word came out last week that Hodge was being looked at as a finisher for the World Cup team. Decent idea, but I couldn't believe they raised this idea ONE DAY after Chris Lynn came in and tonked 30-odd in the last 5 overs. Nice for Hodgey, but big slap in the face for Lynn I would have thought. One day you're going well on debut, after a good big bash. Next you're down the order below a 39 year old.

Well we not taking about a 39 year old on a walking stick here :lol - Hodge is the leading run scorer in T20 cricket worldwide.

Either way AUS have great T20 options for the W-Cup, so whether the selectors eventually take Hodge due to his experience or Lynn for his young talent - performance wise it won't make a big difference i would think.

Thus it will all come down to which side of the fence the selectors are leaning towards.
 

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Before these T20's I don't think that Dernbach had been bowling much so he was probably a bit rusty. Lets see how he fares in the West Indies before writing him off.

So glad this tour is over with now.
 

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Feels like Maxwell is better suited to down the order with a few overs to go to come and smash it. Nice innovation with Cutting up the order, the Heat could learn a thing or two from that.

Maxwell is a great finisher. I wouldn't be batting him any higher than 6.

There's a big difference in the value of a quickfire 20 between the number 3 and the number 6

I like Maxwell coming in earlier actually, especially in that 6-12 over range because it makes Australia attack throughout the innings. It also takes the immediate scoring pressure off the opener who is left. He can sit for a couple of overs while Maxwell goes hard, whereas if Hodge had come in for example, he would want to take a few balls to play himself in, while the opener wouldn't want to do anything stupid straight after a wicket. In that circumstance, England would fancy sneaking a couple of cheap overs, but with Maxwell coming in, England can't rest.

Sure we can't rely on many runs from Maxwell at #3 because he's dodgy, but that's not really the point. You want to attack as much as possible in T20 with your long batting lineup. Leaving resources in the shed is a sin, so you might as well burn your volatile players early. And if Maxwell gets going he'll score quickly and make bowlers nervous because of his shot range.

Well we not taking about a 39 year old on a walking stick here :lol - Hodge is the leading run scorer in T20 cricket worldwide.

Either way AUS have great T20 options for the W-Cup, so whether the selectors eventually take Hodge due to his experience or Lynn for his young talent - performance wise it won't make a big difference i would think.

Thus it will all come down to which side of the fence the selectors are leaning towards.

Yeah he's doing alright for a 39 year old, you are right :p

I just thought it was real odd that if they had Hodge in mind, why not pick him when the squad was originally named on Jan 20? His 61 vs the Scorchers a few days later got him as the replacement for Henriques, I can buy that...but then how does he parlay that 61 into padding up ahead of Lynn at the MCG and ultimately forcing him out at the SCG? When your replacement players start forcing out the guys you originally named - especially a guy who did well on debut, I'm not sure it's a good thing.

I'm with you though - I don't think it makes a huge difference to the team. Hodge offers a different package to Lynn, but I could see both being useful in Bangladesh. Hodge has more experience over there, but Lynn would be a dynamic player too if they pick him.

What an innings by George Bailey! He has had amazing last year or so that has completely changed his position in the team. From "why him" to "why not him" in all the 3 formats. As much brilliant the past few months have been for him, his ability to hit the ball in the V is. Very very impressed the way he batted in the last T20I, particularly impressed with his ability to find the gap at the cow corner.

I can hang my head in shame and say that I have doubted George Bailey at every turn. He's a white ball gun right now, even if he can't play red ball stuff. Full credit to the selectors who saw something in him a couple of years ago and make him T20 captain. Thought that was an awful call at the time, but it's proven correct.
 
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Feels like Maxwell is better suited to down the order with a few overs to go to come and smash it. Nice innovation with Cutting up the order, the Heat could learn a thing or two from that.

Maxwell is a great finisher. I wouldn't be batting him any higher than 6.

There's a big difference in the value of a quickfire 20 between the number 3 and the number 6

I would open with Warner and Finch followed by Watson. All three are big hitters of the ball and can get quick runs for the team. Watson does bat in the middle order so batting at #3 would not be an issue for Watto. Plus, with all his experience, he can stitch partnerships when needed. On the other hand, Australia can get the best out of Maxwell and Faulkner by making them bat at 7 respectively in T20Is since they have the reputation of scoring runs at lightning quick pace.

Well we not taking about a 39 year old on a walking stick here :lol - Hodge is the leading run scorer in T20 cricket worldwide.

Either way AUS have great T20 options for the W-Cup, so whether the selectors eventually take Hodge due to his experience or Lynn for his young talent - performance wise it won't make a big difference i would think.

Thus it will all come down to which side of the fence the selectors are leaning towards.

As much as I love watching Hodge bat, I would think hard before giving him the nod in the team solely because of his age. I am sure he would do good in whatever chances given to him but his age is a huge drawback for him. I would not want a man who can play for not more than a year or two to block the place of other potential players who can try and seal his place in the team. Maybe a Shaun Marsh or at the most a David Hussey is what I feel is the correct choice for the #4 position. Have Bailey at #5 and Maxwell at #6 with Faulkner coming in at #7 and you have a very formidable batting order on paper for a T20I team.

I can hang my head in shame and say that I have doubted George Bailey at every turn. He's a white ball gun right now, even if he can't play red ball stuff. Full credit to the selectors who saw something in him a couple of years ago and make him T20 captain. Thought that was an awful call at the time, but it's proven correct.

I don't blame you for that. He was selected out of the blue. I remember selectors giving the nod to quite few players with less handsome record than others in the past. Clarke has been the most successful of these players but the recent ones, namely Forrest and up to an extent, Moises Henriques have been average so you and plenty others had more than one reason to doubt Bailey's credentials.
 

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