8th Match: England v South Africa (Group B)

[Howsie]

As for Smith. He wasn't injured. He had cramp. His fault for being a fatty and not taking on enough fluids. Don't get a runner for complacency.

So would Strauss of let Ryder have a runner yesterday? At the time how would the umpires and Struass actually know it was a serious injury. I'm guessing Smith said he had cramp though?

 

[stefan]

Well done to england. We choked again. Don't worry about Strauss I am sure our fast bowlers will have their revenge for his unsporting behavior soon. He was correct about the rules but most captains would have given smith a runner.

 

[karnog]

Smith is not a popular chap among his fellow peers or so i'm told by the neutral Australian press. Captains don't seem cater to Smith's cramp issues. Nah but seriously should've given a runner. Or gotten off the field. I think if they got a wicket and Smith was forced to come in a runner would've been provided. Haven't read Strauss' reasoning though. Cricinfo? Why bother asking.

 

[Skater]

So would Strauss of let Ryder have a runner yesterday? At the time how would the umpires and Struass actually know it was a serious injury. I'm guessing Smith said he had cramp though?

Ryder had a groin strain, a genuine internal injury.

 

[Howsie]

Ryder had a groin strain, a genuine internal injury.

Really, I didn't know that :sarcasm

Your've just missed the whole point with that post by the look of it.

At the time how would the umpires and Struass actually know it was a serious injury.

Are the umpires going to check him out, wouldn't be that hard to pass cramp of as a groin strain at the time

 

[evertonfan]

I don't even care if this comes back to haunt us; Strauss is completely in the right. Cramp is no excuse for a runner. It's caused by poor conditioning and Smith should have known better.

It's typical for people to start jumping on the England hate bandwagon now though. Bitter bitter people.

(and that's not aimed at Howsie, before he says anything)

 

[Skater]

Really, I didn't know that :sarcasm

Your've just missed the whole point with that post by the look of it.

I don't know how I've missed the point. You were trying to link Ryder getting a runner with the Smith situation.

Ryder had a groin strain - he was injured. He can have a runner, and I imagine England would have given him a runner.

Smith was cramping - he was tired. Why should we give every batsmen who gets a little out of puff a runner?

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

i think strauss was within his rights but it seems a bit petty. I wish when players adopted this "win at all costs" mentality, it exhibited itself in gutsy performances, brilliant fielding and bravery. Not petty tapping of the rule book.

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I don't know how I've missed the point. You were trying to link Ryder getting a runner with the Smith situation.

Ryder had a groin strain - he was injured. He can have a runner, and I imagine England would have given him a runner.

Smith was cramping - he was tired. Why should we give every batsmen who gets a little out of puff a runner?

I think he was saying that, on the field that two aren't easily discernible. it wasn't like blood was gushing out of Ryder, he just felt sore.

one thing I have to say makes it unfair is, people are saying "oh he should have been better conditioned to bat for as long."

well england went a fair bit over the over rate, and were fined for it, when bowling meaning they extended play.

 

[Skater]

well england went a fair bit over the over rate, and were fined for it, when bowling meaning they extended play.

A slow over rate means Smith had more time for a breather inbetween deliveries.

 

[Howsie]

I don't know how I've missed the point. You were trying to link Ryder getting a runner with the Smith situation.

Ryder had a groin strain - he was injured. He can have a runner, and I imagine England would have given him a runner.

Smith was cramping - he was tired. Why should we give every batsmen who gets a little out of puff a runner?

When Ryder got injured I first thought it was cramp, obviously it was a lot more serious. What I'm getting at is that if Smith was to cramp up again (Or any batsmen against England) what's to stop them from saying it isn't cramp and it's something more serious? Of course the player would know but it's not like the umpire is going to perform a check on him is it.

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I think he was saying that, on the field that two aren't easily discernible. it wasn't like blood was gushing out of Ryder, he just felt sore.

Yea pretty much

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

he also had to stand about waiting for eacy delivery longer.

england fans are saying he wasn't conditioned enough to spend so long at the crease, all I'm saying is that england extended this period somewhat with a slow over-rate. Which is against the rules, just the punishment doesn't have practical implications on the game.

 

[Themer]

On the Smith runner front, from what Strauss said the umpires were the ones who said he wasn't allowed a runner. So Smith asked Strauss for special dispensation to have one.

If the umpires don't think he warrants one then neither should Strauss in my opinion.

Anyway great win for us don't see us getting past the Semi Finals but they've done well enough for me to even get there in the first place.

 

[Will_NA]

That's cruel!

What happens if I lose a leg????

You'd probably fall over.

 

[stefan]

Strauss has pretty much insured that he will be the second most hated player of the english touring party latter this year. I hope he enjoys his tour. He can compare abuse notes with KP.

 

[Leicester Fox]

See that is great captaincy, he's taken some pressure off Trott by doing that.